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Steven Bremer · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 12:55 pm

Dale Schendel wrote:

For all those complaining about the corolla why do you think it is illeagal for HS? and from what I heard Jake's VW in HS has suspension mods. I want to know, I understand that we are competitors but the main thing is did we have fun? also think about this for some other people. when running a "stock" car it should be driven there and ready to run without changing tires. It should be ran on the same tires you run everyday.
And if you realize I only coned 2 runs away the other 2 were clean. so before you go complaining maybe you should try missing the cones.

I really hate to get into this, but you aren't legal for stock class. To be legal for stock class all factory bumpers, and anything else that came attached top the car from the factory, must be on the car during all of your runs.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 1:13 pm

Yall need to lay off of Dale for a few minutes.

Disclaimer #1: It is the competitors responsibility to know the rules and class their car properly (this actually *is* a rule in the rule book).

Disclaimer #2: It's up to competitors to be nice and help a new person to the sport (this isn't in the book, but it IS common sense).

Did anyone in HS approach Dale and say "Hi." At the same time, did they mention "I haven't seen you around here much, are you new to the sport?"

Odds are the answer would be "yes, I a new." At that point, you politely suggest to Dale that for "stock" class, bumpers, etc need to be on the car, even if it's an old car in the process of being fixed.

At the same time, you allow that he doesn't need to worry about it at the current event, but for future events it would be best if he run in the proper prepared/modified class untill he gets the parts he needs.

If you don't feel comfortable doing that, then you ask one of the club officers to do it.

Once all of the above items have been covered, then you protest a car if it isn't properly classed. The club officers (pres/autocross VP's) will handle the protest.

That's the process (as I see it, and the THSCC rules aren't that different).

Notice that public beratement isn't one of the steps in the process.

Scott

Adam Ligon · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 1:44 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

Yall need to lay off of Dale for a few minutes.

Notice that public beratement isn't one of the steps in the process.

Scott

Well since this forum is only viewable by club members I would say its neither public nor the wrong place to discuss these things. Its a forum for the club and people have asked questions and others have answered.

I don't think anyone has been rude or out of line so far. And yeah some poeple get a lot braver online than they are in person, that's human nature. So now all this HS controversy, :roll:

, is out in the open for all to see.

Kevin Allen · **Joined:** Thu Aug 28, 2003 6:42 pm **Posts:** 3479

Having seen the car in question on course, I would say that the results weren't so much about the car being "illegally prepared" as about the way it was being driven. Pretty much looked like it was going to either fall apart or roll over onto its side at every turn, so I'd just like to say, "Hey, Dale - nice driving!" :clap:

Now get some help making the car legal, put some decent tires & non-busted shocks on it, and go kick their butts even worse! :twisted:

Steven Bremer · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 9:02 pm

Sorry if I came off as a little rude. I guess I was just trying to state what is needed to run in stock class.

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 9:05 pm

Kevin Allen wrote:

Having seen the car in question on course, I would say that the results weren't so much about the car being "illegally prepared" as about the way it was being driven. Pretty much looked like it was going to either fall apart or roll over onto its side at every turn, so I'd just like to say, "Hey, Dale - nice driving!" :clap:

Now get some help making the car legal, put some decent tires & non-busted shocks on it, and go kick their butts even worse! :twisted:

Amen to that. Dale is getting everything out of that car! I think it would be an excellent rallycross car!

Scott

Dale Schendel · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 10:10 pm

I have tried finding a rear bumper in decent shape, it was missing when I got the car, I want to put it back on because with that weight missing the car will unload the rear tires and slide the rear tires, in turn making it really difficult to control. I appologize for what may have seemed like an attitude.

Dale Schendel · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 10:15 pm

one other thing, I have ran the car as is for several events and not trophied and now when I do there's all this about a bumper that is missing and maked the car want to spin out. At the Rock I'll let one or two of you guys fun run it just for kicks and see what you guys think. Hows that?

Mike Winn · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:30 am **Posts:** 110

I have no beef with Dale nor whomever else ran in H-Stock; I was simply curious as the question was posed to me ex post facto. I am not dissatisfied with the results, herego any further posts are entirely unnecessary.

Jim,

Thanks for clarification of procedures. I should have been more specific as I honestly didn't know how protests were handled in the SCCA either.

I seriously had a lot of fun at the event and for some reason didn't mind that I coned away every run. I dunno, maybe somebody spiked my chicken sandwich from Hardees with happy pills or I'd been in the sun too long. C'est la vie!

Patrick Wellenius · **Posted:** Sun May 23, 2004 11:54 pm

Dale Schendel wrote:

I have tried finding a rear bumper in decent shape, it was missing when I got the car, I want to put it back on because with that weight missing the car will unload the rear tires and slide the rear tires, in turn making it really difficult to control. I appologize for what may have seemed like an attitude.

so it's like adding a big rear sway bar...sweet. it's not really my business, but who am i to keep from nosing my way in. honestly, everyone i'm pretty sure realizes that you running without the bumper isn't done to "cheat" or gain an advantage. the fact that it wasn't brought up until now is b/c trophying gets the attention of your competitors, espcially the ones you beat. rules are rules and as was discussed a few months ago, some follow them to the very letter and some follow them a little more "loosely". to avoid arguments about fairness and things like that, it's probably best to abide by the rules as quickly as you can.

just imagine if i accidentally had cams in a car i just bought and ran in stock class b/c i couldn't find stock cams to install. if anyone realized it, there would be a few questions and at the very least a request to run in SM.

Richard Casto · **Posted:** Mon May 24, 2004 12:10 pm

Dale Schendel wrote:

one other thing, I have ran the car as is for several events and not trophied and now when I do there's all this about a bumper that is missing...

Life is very different between those at the top of the result list and and those closer to the bottom. The better you do, the more you and your car are examined. Just class the car correctly (or fix it to stock specs) and continue to have fun. You should also consider it a blessing that you are driving well enough to have this type of problem!

Chris Landi · **Joined:** Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:31 pm **Posts:** 579

Dale had a fast day all around. I couldn't catch up to him on US-1 on the way to the event. (I was gaining ground at one point but picked up radar from behind and had to lay low for the last 15 miles or so.)

Dale Schendel · **Posted:** Mon May 24, 2004 6:51 pm

I'm still looking for a bumper that isn't rusted out, and that's the reason for the lack there of. I found that out from the guy I got the car from. I would hate to be a worker and get hit by a rusty bumper.

Mike Winn · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:30 am **Posts:** 110

If your bumper was that bad, you probably wouldn't pass tech! :lol:

Patrick Wellenius · **Posted:** Mon May 24, 2004 8:51 pm

Not sure how it passes tech without one. Simon must be getting soft these days... :poke:

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