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 Post subject: Re: In Defense of Stock Class
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:30 pm 
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I'll never forget the first run on Hoosiers in the old Integra... There's a reason we shell out the dough for tire/wheels, load up the jack & tools, obsessively brush the pebbles off the tread, individually bag each wheel like a loaf of bread, and tell the significant other that this is the 'last set' over & over. :lol:

R-comps definitely make autocross more fun but when they fall off gripwise, it's always a bummer.

It's way easier to drive a bone stock car fast on r-comps than a ST car with 'go fast parts' like suspension and power adders.

Enjoy the koolaid Jeremy. :thumbsup:


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 Post subject: Re: In Defense of Stock Class
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:01 pm 
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Matt McGrain wrote:

It's way easier to drive a bone stock car fast on r-comps than a ST car with 'go fast parts' like suspension and power adders.

Enjoy the koolaid Jeremy. :thumbsup:


Heh, I was actually thinking just the opposite. I think an STR s2000 (at least mine) is/was far easier to drive than it is on stock suspension and Hoosiers. Driving in STR for 2 years, I had completely forgotten what "turning early" was all about.

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 Post subject: Re: In Defense of Stock Class
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 1:57 pm 
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Eh, I was blown away driving Matt's SI on old V710s 3 years ago and got an SI and ran GS myself. But after cording after 38 runs and discovering how much easier a properly setup ST* or *SP car is on tires, I don't think I could go back to 'stock' with rcomps unless it was a car with near perfect stock suspension and plenty of camber, and there are very few cars that meet said standard.

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 Post subject: Re: In Defense of Stock Class
PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 2:20 pm 
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It's all down to what you're accustomed to. I drove for over a decade on r-compound tires. Between my old car, and Steve's STR car, I saw the difference something like this:

Street tires:
aaaa-bbbbbbb-cc

Hoosiers:
aaaaaaaaa-bbb-c

Where:
a = driving too tidy
b = "slithering," just the right amount of slip angle to be fast.
c = too much slip angle, about to go backwards or crash.
Speed increases from left to right, until you hit the "c" part. :lol:

It was damn difficult to keep my Hoosier-shod, stock class S2000 in the "b" part of my fancy diagram. :) Similarly, it was hard for me to tell how much sliding around was fast in Steve's car. I'm not a fast learner anymore - I'm an old man now, and I'm set in my ways. I'd have needed an entire season in that very excellent STR car to figure all of that out. Wish I'd been able to do that.

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