2014 THSCC Autocross Classing Changes

BriceJohnson · **Joined:** Thu Apr 13, 2006 7:33 am **Posts:** 2230

In our discussions Friday amongst officers, we came to the following conclusions after a couple beers, Jeremy's dogs engaging in chemical warfare against us, and some spirited debate.

-THSCC will adopt the SCCA's Street Classes for 2014. In doing so, we will eliminate the current "TIR/RT" class.
-We will adopt the CAM class for our events as one class, but will exclude 2 seaters from the class
-We decided that given the extremely low numbers it has seen over the past years, and the practical consideration that really it makes no sense, Ladies class will be no more
-Season long Novice competition will be allowed, and continue as it did in 2013.
-Old Farts will live on as is. We thought about trying to lower the required age so Rodney could qualify, but figured that was just mean (oh wait, was mentioning it here mean too? My bad).
-The most heated debate of the night was with regards to class bumping, which will remain as it currently is (no bumping). We liked the idea, but the implications in season points get very confusing.

Whine away, we're "listening". . .

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:33 am

Dammit, 3 more years of waiting to get into OF :mrgreen:

So now that CAM is an official class, who's going to drive in it? The mustang is still prepped for STU and CAM allows for some serious money hemorrhaging... Have to wait to hear what others are doing.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:38 am

Also to note: No ASR, BSR,...HSR classes for 2014. The only Street R class will be SSR and that will be for both this year and onward (unless there is a change but I somehow doubt it.

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:44 am

BriceJohnson wrote:

In our discussions Friday amongst officers, we came to the following conclusions after a couple beers, Jeremy's dogs engaging in chemical warfare against us, and some spirited debate.

-THSCC will adopt the SCCA's Street Classes for next year. In doing so, we will eliminate the current "TIR/RT" class.
-We will adopt the CAM class for our events as one class, but will exclude 2 seaters from the class
-We decided that given the extremely low numbers it has seen over the past years, and the practical consideration that really it makes no sense (ladies are at no physical disadvantage to men in this sport), Ladies class will be no more
-Season long Novice competition will be allowed, and continue as it did this year.
-Old Farts will live on as is. We thought about trying to lower the required age so Rodney could qualify, but figured that was just mean (oh wait, was mentioning it here mean too? My bad).
-The most heated debate of the night was with regards to class bumping, which will remain as it currently is (no bumping). We liked the idea, but the implications in season points get very confusing.

Whine away, we're "listening". . .

So . . . by NEXT YEAR, do you mean THIS YEAR -2014. And by THIS YEAR do you mean LAST YEAR - 2013.

(not trying to be a smart ass

)

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 11:09 am

In re: CAM...does the 2-seater rule intend to exclude ElCaminos and lowered pickup trucks? Not that many would show up, but done right those things are niiiiiiiice.

Jordan Normark · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:11 pm

Steven Carter wrote:

In re: CAM...does the 2-seater rule intend to exclude ElCaminos and lowered pickup trucks? Not that many would show up, but done right those things are niiiiiiiice.

This is the thought I had. I suppose if it came with a bench seat originally, it's technically more than 2 seats?

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:42 pm

Jordan Normark wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

In re: CAM...does the 2-seater rule intend to exclude ElCaminos and lowered pickup trucks? Not that many would show up, but done right those things are niiiiiiiice.

This is the thought I had. I suppose if it came with a bench seat originally, it's technically LESS than 2 seats?

Fixed that

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

McLaren F1 style seating in some American iron? Haha.

I think that CAM is neat, but it seems like it should be renamed to the Money Pit class. *drives a "street prepared" Miata* Yeah....

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:51 pm

BriceJohnson wrote:

In our discussions Friday amongst officers, we came to the following conclusions after a couple beers, Jeremy's dogs engaging in chemical warfare against us, and some spirited debate.

-Old Farts will live on as is. We thought about trying to lower the required age so Rodney could qualify, but figured that was just mean (oh wait, was mentioning it here mean too? My bad).

Just curious, what age was considered? To see if I will have make it.

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:58 pm

Patrice Bousquet wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

In our discussions Friday amongst officers, we came to the following conclusions after a couple beers, Jeremy's dogs engaging in chemical warfare against us, and some spirited debate.

-Old Farts will live on as is. We thought about trying to lower the required age so Rodney could qualify, but figured that was just mean (oh wait, was mentioning it here mean too? My bad).

Just curious, what age was considered? To see if I will have make it.

Gotta be 60 to qualify for OF....

Patrice Bousquet · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:04 pm

RodneyWright wrote:

Patrice Bousquet wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

In our discussions Friday amongst officers, we came to the following conclusions after a couple beers, Jeremy's dogs engaging in chemical warfare against us, and some spirited debate.

-Old Farts will live on as is. We thought about trying to lower the required age so Rodney could qualify, but figured that was just mean (oh wait, was mentioning it here mean too? My bad).

Just curious, what age was considered? To see if I will have make it.

Gotta be 60 to qualify for OF....

I know it’s 60, what I want to know is what age was considered “We thought about trying to lower the required age “

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:35 pm

Brice was joking

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JohnByers · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:01 pm

I have no dog in this argument. Just a BTW PSA, NCR is changing as well as I know several of you compete with us throughout the year.

For the 2014 Season we will be grouping classes and giving trophies based on the Pax. Pax Groups are laid out below. this will give everyone more competition as you will compete against people in different classes. Since there are fewer classes for trophies we will give out more spots (top 5 instead of top 3) depending on how may participants are in each class (also see Below). To be clear this is for the Day of trophies only. The Year End trophies will be based on the classes just as they have been in the past.

New Pax Classes
Street -SS, AS, BS, CS, DS, ES, FS, GS, HS
Street R - SSR, ASR, BSR, CSR, DSR, ESR, FSR, GSR, HSR
Street Touring - STC, STF, STR , STS, STU, STX
Street Prepared - SSP, ASP, BSP, CSP, DSP, ESP, FSP
Street Modified - SMF, SSM, SM
Modified/Prepared - AM, BM, CM, DM, EM, FM, XP, CP, DP, EP, FP, GP
Novice
Pro
Ladies
Jr. Karts
Karts

Trophy Thresholds
1 trophy - 2 entrants
2 trophies - 3 entrants
3 trophies - 5 entrants
4 Trohipes - 10 entrants
5 trophies - 15 entrants

RodneyWright · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:31 pm

JohnByers wrote:

I have no dog in this argument. Just a BTW PSA, NCR is changing as well as I know several of you compete with us throughout the year.

For the 2014 Season we will be grouping classes and giving trophies based on the Pax. Pax Groups are laid out below. this will give everyone more competition as you will compete against people in different classes. Since there are fewer classes for trophies we will give out more spots (top 5 instead of top 3) depending on how may participants are in each class (also see Below). To be clear this is for the Day of trophies only. The Year End trophies will be based on the classes just as they have been in the past.

New Pax Classes
Street -SS, AS, BS, CS, DS, ES, FS, GS, HS
Street R - SSR, ASR, BSR, CSR, DSR, ESR, FSR, GSR, HSR
Street Touring - STC, STF, STR , STS, STU, STX
Street Prepared - SSP, ASP, BSP, CSP, DSP, ESP, FSP
Street Modified - SMF, SSM, SM
Modified/Prepared - AM, BM, CM, DM, EM, FM, XP, CP, DP, EP, FP, GP
Novice
Pro
Ladies
Jr. Karts
Karts

Trophy Thresholds
1 trophy - 2 entrants
2 trophies - 3 entrants
3 trophies - 5 entrants
4 Trohipes - 10 entrants
5 trophies - 15 entrants

Are you guys going to run the new proposed CAM class? From what you've listed, it doesn't sound like it....

JohnByers · **Posted:** Mon Jan 13, 2014 3:36 pm

will go in the modified class

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