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Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Mon Mar 25, 2013 4:24 pm

Ryan Holton wrote:

Im sure they would at 10 year ago prices :lol:

Truth. I picked up my first set of r-comps for $500 brand new from a fellow that couldn't use them (guessing they were a contingency win) and remember them not being THAT much less than a new set of A4's in a 15".

On thing I do like now is that the BFG R1s is less than the Hoosier and Kumho and seems to be keeping pace.

michaelsmiller · **Posted:** Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:22 pm

The rules are not going effect times to much. I've instrumented the Miata with Star Spec's and Hoosers, 1.24 g's peak for Star Spec's and 1.35 G's for A6's. I'm guessing that amounts to half a second for every 30. The star Spec's were 10mm wider than the Hoosers.

The 260Z had such a weak structure that the chassis flexed instead of the sway bar. The ticket for those older cars was stiffer springs with stock sways. That's the way that I set up my 280Z.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

Hello, SCCA? This is Hankook.

I just wanted to let you guys know that flying kites is a very fun recreational activity. I think you should go fly a kite.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:59 pm

no doubt. Also proves that TW ratings are quite arbitrary....they, Kumho and Yokohama have brought nothing the tire warz this go-round. Granted there's a new Yoko AD-08R, at least in Japan, but it will probably be uncompetitive on pricing if it makes it to the US (just like the AD08 was).

255 r17 RE-11As are $185, BTW. Could be a value performer for STR....

Jeremy Ellison · **Joined:** Fri May 13, 2011 5:01 pm **Posts:** 186

Steven Carter wrote:

[Hankook] .... have brought nothing the tire warz this go-round.

I expect this is because they don't think they need to. With their pricing, I expect they are at least "fast enough". I'll be interested to see how they perform against the Rivals and ZIIs come some warm weather. Anyone with Rivals or ZIIs in STR wanna swap wheels for a few runs so we can log some real data?

Sounds like we need another test & tune...

Andrew, this means my RS3s will magically last 30% longer now, right?

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

They'll arbitrarily last 30% longer... in your heart, but only if you believe.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:09 pm

Jeremy Ellison wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

[Hankook] .... have brought nothing the tire warz this go-round.

I expect this is because they don't think they need to. With their pricing, I expect they are at least "fast enough". I'll be interested to see how they perform against the Rivals and ZIIs come some warm weather. Anyone with Rivals or ZIIs in STR wanna swap wheels for a few runs so we can log some real data?

Sounds like we need another test & tune...

Andrew, this means my RS3s will magically last 30% longer now, right?

I'll likely have freshies by August or September timeframe, but seeing how quickly you and The Bearded One go through tires you may be done with the RS3s by then!

Word on the Street has it that the GRM testing will only compare current tires vs Toyo R1R. There may be some extrapolation to be had from that, but it might be a stretch. Seeing as how the RS3 and Z1* were quite close in performance, and early reports are that Z2s are a fair bit faster than Z1* I suspect both Z2s and Rivals will be faster than RS3s. Maybe see if you can swap with Zach? He has Z2s. I'd like to help out with that and see those results as well...

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:20 pm

From Hollis blog:

Quote:

Round two of GRM tire testing is complete. Round 1 is in the June issue, which is in final stages (May is in the mail now), and features ZII vs Rival vs Toyo R1R on concrete on an STS CRX. Round 2 is RE-11A vs Rival vs Toyo on asphalt on an STS CRX.

Quote:

Round 3 will feature 225 Rival vs 225 RS3...battle of that unique size.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:23 pm

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

From Hollis blog:

Quote:

Round 3 will feature 225 Rival vs 225 RS3...battle of that unique size.

ah, forgot about the Round 3 part. I think I thought I would already have made a decision by then so it seemed Rd 3 would be ex post facto for my purchase

edit: Assuming each round is published in a subsequent GRM issue, and that info isn't leaked prematurely. Would be awesome if it all was published in one issue, but that's a bit optimistic.

Steven Spampinato · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:37 am

Cost of competitiveness vs. tire expense....this is a reason why a working class slob, like-myself, has had to take long breaks from autocrossing. At times, I could not justify the expense. It is still hard with the typical challenges of having two young kids, a house, a wife, a dog....I am sure many of you understand.

I like the idea of the +/- 1" = COST!
I like the idea of street tires for stock classes = COST!
I even like the idea of TIR/RT classes....competitive fun...not many GS cars running at the local level.
I am thinking about saving my pennies for camber plates for the SI...ie… the SS meatball outer tread eater.
EXPENSE is the key word here.

It may not be a participation killer on the pro/national level; however, I am sure I am being redundant by saying it affects the local level from maintaining participants.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:28 pm

There are no camber plates for your car that works with stock diameter springs unfortunately

. Check the inside wheel well where the top hat mounts to the chassis and you'll see there is almost NO room for it to move inward any.

So you are out of luck both from a availability and feasibility standpoint. However, double ingalls bolts in the struts will get you about -2.5 degrees in the front. That's what I ran on my SI and the alignment never changed ever.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Sun Apr 07, 2013 2:52 pm

Steven Spampinato wrote:

Cost of competitiveness vs. tire expense....this is a reason why a working class slob, like-myself, has had to take long breaks from autocrossing. At times, I could not justify the expense. It is still hard with the typical challenges of having two young kids, a house, a wife, a dog....I am sure many of you understand.

Preach it brother!! Even as someone with a fresh set of r-comps sitting in my shed, I'm still enamoured that we've added RT and the possibility of banning r-comps from stock class next year gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Especially with the release of all the street tire hotness this season. On the flip side, I can totally understand the more hardcore r-comp diehards' dismay of the new proposed rules, especially the folks running the larger, more powerful cars. Locally though, I only think the proposed rules will get more autocrossers out and help more than harm.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:48 am

Matt McGrain wrote:

, especially the folks running the larger, more powerful cars.

Remember, when this goes through, each class will have it's own PAX, not a blanket 2 or 2.5% discount like RT has which means that it should be taken into consideration. Ie the PAX of SS, FS and AS will drop a lot relative to BS/CS/DS/ES. Hell HS and GS might even stay the same

(on a relative basis).

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:12 am

Good points for sure and what's also going to be interesting is to see how many cars gets reshuffled classwise as I'd imagine some cars will feel a different impact being back on streets versus race rubber. Rick Ruth is going to be one busy dude!

I'm leaning towards a set of 195 ZII's this summer for DD'ing and occasional autocross action but the Toyo R1R's seem pretty competitive and come in the 'magic' size of 195/50/15. If I can get 12k miles out of them and several autocrosses, I'd be happy but the 140TW scare$ me a bit. Hmmm...

JohnByers · **Posted:** Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:36 am

Matt McGrain wrote:

Rick Ruth is going to be one busy dude!

..

Or retire

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