Uh oh! FWD stock cars might be getting their rear bars :)

JamesShort · **Posted:** Sat May 28, 2011 3:47 pm

June Fastrack has a recommendation to change the stock class sway bar rule to 'one sway bar may be added, removed or substituted' with no mention of front only.

Andrew Jonell · **Joined:** Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:43 pm **Posts:** 1350

What's that? The sound of a million cars spinning out?

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Sat May 28, 2011 5:29 pm

Still trying to recover from the concept of STNew....

BTW, all the CSP Miata drivers must be feeling better about not having to cut new vinyl, now that the SP reorg looks to add a SuperStreet Prepared, keeps the S2000s in BSP and bumps the Evo/STI crowd to ASP...

edit: now if I only the WRX could get classed in STX....

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Sat May 28, 2011 5:34 pm

Quote:

If enlarging mounting holes is specifically authorized but no material removal limits are specified, material removal is restricted to the amount necessary to achieve the maximum factory alignment specification.” (3801, 3827, 4142, 4152, 4205):)

Huh?

I'd imagine max alignment is -.6 degrees with the crash bolts. Honestly this would help out Genesis owners more than anyone i can think of, especially in lieu of the monster 19" tires.

-Matt (picking up the race wheels this wheel with freshly flipped 25 run Hoosiers due to the lack of camber carnage)

Outer shoulder:

Inner (smooth as a baby's butt):

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Sat May 28, 2011 5:43 pm

Wow, that is crazy.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 9:25 am

Steven Carter wrote:

Still trying to recover from the concept of STNew....

BTW, all the CSP Miata drivers must be feeling better about not having to cut new vinyl, now that the SP reorg looks to add a SuperStreet Prepared, keeps the S2000s in BSP and bumps the Evo/STI crowd to ASP...

edit: now if I only the WRX could get classed in STX....

Well according to the proposal in the FT, the 2.5L WRX is ineligible for ST* period.

Also note that they moved the Cobalt SS and MS3 into STX and yet only allow the 2.0L WRX...that is about idiotic.

And finally, I'd say ST-New should be called STRUT

.

EDIT: Nevermind,I guess the 2.0+ FI NOC line catches the 2.5L WRX.

Keith Vail · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 10:53 am

JamesShort wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

Still trying to recover from the concept of STNew....

BTW, all the CSP Miata drivers must be feeling better about not having to cut new vinyl, now that the SP reorg looks to add a SuperStreet Prepared, keeps the S2000s in BSP and bumps the Evo/STI crowd to ASP...

edit: now if I only the WRX could get classed in STX....

Well according to the proposal in the FT, the 2.5L WRX is ineligible for ST* period.

Also note that they moved the Cobalt SS and MS3 into STX and yet only allow the 2.0L WRX...that is about idiotic.

And finally, I'd say ST-New should be called STRUT

.

EDIT: Nevermind,I guess the 2.0+ FI NOC line catches the 2.5L WRX.

After hearing what a few higher ups had to say they did not have time to get every single car classed when making these proposals. If there are cars not specifically mentioned that you want mentioned all you have to do is write a letter to the SEB. As for the 2.5L WRX being in STX I wouldn't count on the 08+ cars being moved down. The 06-07 cars have a chance because they are the same chassis as the early 2.0L cars. All you need to do is look at the street prepared classing to see how the two chassis' are separated.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 11:01 am

Keith Vail wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

Still trying to recover from the concept of STNew....

BTW, all the CSP Miata drivers must be feeling better about not having to cut new vinyl, now that the SP reorg looks to add a SuperStreet Prepared, keeps the S2000s in BSP and bumps the Evo/STI crowd to ASP...

edit: now if I only the WRX could get classed in STX....

Well according to the proposal in the FT, the 2.5L WRX is ineligible for ST* period.

Also note that they moved the Cobalt SS and MS3 into STX and yet only allow the 2.0L WRX...that is about idiotic.

And finally, I'd say ST-New should be called STRUT

.

EDIT: Nevermind,I guess the 2.0+ FI NOC line catches the 2.5L WRX.

After hearing what a few higher ups had to say they did not have time to get every single car classed when making these proposals. If there are cars not specifically mentioned that you want mentioned all you have to do is write a letter to the SEB. As for the 2.5L WRX being in STX I wouldn't count on the 08+ cars being moved down. The 06-07 cars have a chance because they are the same chassis as the early 2.0L cars. All you need to do is look at the street prepared classing to see how the two chassis' are separated.

I still think a td04 charged 2.5L is going to be more desirable once ST* tuned than a VF52 charged 2.5L coupled with the fact that the latter (06-07) have better gearing and weigh less. Plus the 08+ have no diffs at all nor are eligible for an aftermarket one due to the VC center. I can't see the 09+ WRX being an overdog in STX at all and to compare apples to apples power/weight ratio wise, I think a well setup MS3 on 265s with its torsen style diff is going to be faster than a 09+ WRX on 245s with open diffs.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 5:04 pm

JamesShort wrote:

I still think a td04 charged 2.5L is going to be more desirable once ST* tuned than a VF52 charged 2.5L coupled with the fact that the latter (06-07) have better gearing and weigh less. Plus the 08+ have no diffs at all nor are eligible for an aftermarket one due to the VC center. I can't see the 09+ WRX being an overdog in STX at all and to compare apples to apples power/weight ratio wise, I think a well setup MS3 on 265s with its torsen style diff is going to be faster than a 09+ WRX on 245s with open diffs.

since the MS6 is also classed in STX, the AWD argument is weakened a bit as well. Since the UD/BD is not applicable to ST*, the WRX would still be hampered by open diffs even if you had ECU/exhaust mods to up the power....{shrug} I don't plan on modding up the WRX beyond what I've done anyway. All this re-org talk makes think one of two things:

(1) Modified Class
(2) Shifter Kart

I could tow either behind my wife's minivan...and, since I'm itching (kinda) for a new resto project why not restore an old CSR car a la GRM and race in Mod class? Two birds, one stone, killed.

Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 6:17 pm

Steven Carter wrote:

and, since I'm itching (kinda) for a new resto project why not restore an old CSR car a la GRM and race in Mod class? Two birds, one stone, killed.

Reading about that project has me thinking bad thoughts, too. Lots of advantages to autocrossing a car like that, especially if you build a custom trailer for it and a way to close the cockpit from weather while trailering.

--Donnie

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 9:36 pm

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

and, since I'm itching (kinda) for a new resto project why not restore an old CSR car a la GRM and race in Mod class? Two birds, one stone, killed.

Reading about that project has me thinking bad thoughts, too. Lots of advantages to autocrossing a car like that, especially if you build a custom trailer for it and a way to close the cockpit from weather while trailering.

--Donnie

Open cockpits and open trailers are no problem. The "interior" drys quickly, especially if still towing after the rain.

. Drys fairly quickly if still raining after the tow ends. Simply park wet, cover with "blue tarp", let it dry later.

I use a modified plastic "painting pail" that covers the "dash" during towing to keep the instruments dry. Air intake is blocked for towing also. At events a "blue tarp" easily covers the cockpit and is secured with awning bungees to the suspension arms. Something similar could be used for a sports racer.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon May 30, 2011 10:10 pm

DickRasmussen wrote:

Donnie Barnes wrote:

Steven Carter wrote:

and, since I'm itching (kinda) for a new resto project why not restore an old CSR car a la GRM and race in Mod class? Two birds, one stone, killed.

Reading about that project has me thinking bad thoughts, too. Lots of advantages to autocrossing a car like that, especially if you build a custom trailer for it and a way to close the cockpit from weather while trailering.

--Donnie

Open cockpits and open trailers are no problem. The "interior" drys quickly, especially if still towing after the rain.

. Drys fairly quickly if still raining after the tow ends. Simply park wet, cover with "blue tarp", let it dry later.

I use a modified plastic "painting pail" that covers the "dash" during towing to keep the instruments dry. Air intake is blocked for towing also. At events a "blue tarp" easily covers the cockpit and is secured with awning bungees to the suspension arms. Something similar could be used for a sports racer.

Dick,
What keeps your VanDieman from showing up with you in it at events lately? NCCAR would have been awesome for a Mod car. I hope it isn't lack of competition, but if it is...I {cough cough} think a co-driver {cough cough} might be a good-ish idea...I mean, uh, I might know someone.....

DickRasmussen · **Posted:** Tue May 31, 2011 7:50 am

Steven Carter wrote:

Dick,
What keeps your VanDieman from showing up with you in it at events lately? NCCAR would have been awesome for a Mod car. I hope it isn't lack of competition, but if it is...I {cough cough} think a co-driver {cough cough} might be a good-ish idea...I mean, uh, I might know someone.....

Steven,

Thanks for the "offer"

Unfortunately for potential co-drivers I take the "solo" in "solo" literally. :lol:

The various reasons are almost all over (rebuild engine/suspension, recover from minor surgery). I'm hoping to attend the Danville event and looking forward to the next NCCAR. By the way, how wide is the pavement where that tight pivot cone was at NCCAR so I can verify my minimum turning diameter?

Sanford and L'burg sites are much too "harsh" an environment for a formula car. More suited to "rally cars". The last time I ran at Sanford the tires looked like candy apples that had been dipped in peanut crumbs and the fuel cell ended up with sharp gravel between the bladder and the floor.

Steven Carter · **Posted:** Tue May 31, 2011 8:12 am

Dick,

I figured it was at least worth a try :wink:

.... The track width at NCCAR is about the same as Danville taxiway, but a touch narrower. Turning my WRX around the pivot at full lock was well within the width of the track, but I did push two wheels off when I got on throttle a touch early exiting the pivot cone.

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