2011 points event 1, Sanford

JamesMilko · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:56 pm

Martyn's method was the one passed down to me and the one I use when I do grid. I just need to be more assertive about the getting the 2 driver cars out somewhat on time.

Les Davis · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:04 pm **Posts:** 2059

As many others have stated, I think re-instating entry caps at this point would be a "knee jerk" reaction and not necessary. I for one would actually prefer to see larger turnouts as the more competitors we have, the more $$$ we make. We have spent a fair amount already this year and I'm proposing we spend a little more, however with a few improvements in the quality of our events I hope we can see an ROI of better competitor retention which would hopefully in return pay for upgrades. As others have stated, I think we should keep entry caps open and prepare better for larger crowds. It all comes down to launch interval and ours was too long Sunday, I should not have allowed that. 40 second overlap is acceptable with even 100 entrants, however at 150 entrants it adds 2 hours to the day. A 30 second launch interval would have cut nearly 2 hours off the day Sunday and we would have been done with trophies and leaving at 6:15 and no one would be complaining.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:27 pm

Les Davis wrote:

A 30 second launch interval would have cut nearly 2 hours off the day Sunday and we would have been done with trophies and leaving at 6:15 and no one would be complaining.

Les, is this your first day or are you high?

JasonWatts · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:47 pm

Vincent Keene wrote:

Les, is this your first day or are you high?

The gas fumes from his vette must be getting to him. :twisted:

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:53 pm

The never ending saga of course working...

Almost 30 years ago now, when turnout reached 67 drivers: http://www.thscc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4832

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Matt McGrain wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

Shorten it up as much as you can, to me the limiting factor should be how quickly the workers can run and reset the cones.

You'd fit right in at an SCCA event then. The launch interval's pretty quick.

Matt, how do the SCCA T&S folks handle 3 or 4 cars on course at a time and the resulting radio communication clashes? Making the entrants run strictly in class/car number order probably simplifies things for T&S (though we've always avoided this in the name of making our events more entrant-friendly .. ditto for our practice of conducting roving tech instead of making the entrants wait through a tech line). Having fewer inexperienced course workers calling in penalties on the red Miata would certainly help, but inexperience is a given at the local level. Is there some other technique that we should be aware of?

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

The never ending saga of course working...

Almost 30 years ago now, when turnout reached 67 drivers: http://www.thscc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4832

There was a import car dealership at 3301 Guess Rd in Durham in 1983? It's weird that I don't recall it. In any event, there's a Kangaroo station there now.

We have made a lot of improvements over the years to accommodate larger fields and to keep the T&S crew comfortable and alert

Cash Davidson · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 1:48 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

We have made a lot of improvements over the years to accommodate larger fields and to keep the T&S crew comfortable and alert

I remember the T&S tent - especially during a particular rain storm at Rocky Mount. I only heard stories about Neal's pneumatic timing tubes - thanks for confirming the urban legend.

Matt McGrain · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 6:56 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Is there some other technique that we should be aware of?

Nope. I was surprised by it (the quick launch & fact that if you're chasing cones, you better RUN), but it's purely something that can be done IMO due to the fact there were few novices, dnf's and excessive cone penalties; something that will always go with the territory at our events because we're so novice friendly and encourage new folks to come out.

Chuck Branscomb · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:22 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

The never ending saga of course working...

Almost 30 years ago now, when turnout reached 67 drivers: http://www.thscc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4832

There was a import car dealership at 3301 Guess Rd in Durham in 1983? It's weird that I don't recall it. In any event, there's a Kangaroo station there now.

Art, the ad says, "Professional Center for the Discriminating Owner" -- perhaps you weren't discriminating enough?

Re pneumatic tubes -- like anything new, I recall issues with timing lights (oh, we don't still have issues today, do we? (said after experiencing multiple missed runs, reruns, etc, this weekend in Atlanta due to finish lights issues)) when they first appeared at various clubs, and many were pining to get the old air tubes out.

Vincent Keene · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:22 am

Cash Davidson wrote:

I only heard stories about Neal's pneumatic timing tubes - thanks for confirming the urban legend.

They are still in use today! We still use them for our rallycross timing since all the dust gives false trips using the laser heads.

Bernie Baake · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:23 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Matt McGrain wrote:

BriceJohnson wrote:

Shorten it up as much as you can, to me the limiting factor should be how quickly the workers can run and reset the cones.

You'd fit right in at an SCCA event then. The launch interval's pretty quick.

Matt, how do the SCCA T&S folks handle 3 or 4 cars on course at a time and the resulting radio communication clashes? Making the entrants run strictly in class/car number order probably simplifies things for T&S (though we've always avoided this in the name of making our events more entrant-friendly .. ditto for our practice of conducting roving tech instead of making the entrants wait through a tech line). Having fewer inexperienced course workers calling in penalties on the red Miata would certainly help, but inexperience is a given at the local level. Is there some other technique that we should be aware of?

At scca events every cone is numbered, every station has a worker that copies the car number and the cone number of each hit inaddition to all the passes that don't hit anything. These sheets are collected after each run. The grid is numbered and the cars are numbered in sequence and assigned a grid spot in sequence with your number lower numbers run first ect. In short there's no way we could pull it off with all the novices. Very few people there have less than five or six years experience so there's no problem pairing noobs with exerience. It's easier for T&S because everything is done in sequence every time.

Keith Quistorff · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 8:32 am

Quote:

40 second overlap is acceptable with even 100 entrants, however at 150 entrants it adds 2 hours to the day. A 30 second launch interval would have cut nearly 2 hours off the day Sunday and we would have been done with trophies and leaving at 6:15 and no one would be complaining.

Can't speak for the other heats on Sunday, but during the 2nd heat the average launch interval was well over 40 seconds. Malia & I were watching it (working T&S) and found that the quicker lap times resulted in ~45 second launch interval, most of the novices and many others were running longer intervals.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2011 10:43 am

Keith, 2 or 3 times during heat 4, I counted the overlap and it was 45s+.

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

Arthur McDonald wrote:

Chuck Branscomb wrote:

The never ending saga of course working...

Almost 30 years ago now, when turnout reached 67 drivers: http://www.thscc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4832

There was a import car dealership at 3301 Guess Rd in Durham in 1983? It's weird that I don't recall it. In any event, there's a Kangaroo station there now.

Art, the ad says, "Professional Center for the Discriminating Owner" -- perhaps you weren't discriminating enough?

No doubt. In 1983 I was driving a 1981 Mustang with a 1 bbl 91hp straight six that revved to almost 4000 rpm, coupled with a 4-speed manual with unevenly spaced gear ratios. (Imagine a 5-speed overdrive transmission, where they left out 3rd gear.). The #4 cylinder was directly over the front axle, so it either pushed or oversteered violently, and it tended to lock up both rear tires under hard braking.

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