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I exchanged messages with Jinx Jordan last night inquiring about what SoloPro's schedule might look like for the SouthEast for spring of 2011. Outside of Oscoda, Michigan in May, they have nothing formally scheduled.

I'd like to try an organize an Extreme school at Danville for THSCC. I haven't chatted with the Rodney or the autocross VP's yet about it, but I really don't mind doing the leg work to get this organized an run. I would need to get their approval on doing this prior to starting the process.

I would like to see what the interest level would be within the club, for I would want the club members to have the first shot at registering prior to opening up to the general public.

From looking at the costs of previous events (Eric or Jim can probably correct me on this), a two day school would likely be about $525.

The details behind the Extreme series can be found here: SoloPro

If you think you would like this, post in the thread. There is no committment by doing so, but this will give me a good gauge on whether this is feasible or not.

This would likely be scheduled in one of the weekends following the Dixie Tour (3/12-3/13) for I feel with the bulk of the National events happening from May to early July, this time would allow you to work on the techniques prior to a big event. - AB

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Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

I would love to do a SoloPro but I am not sure I can do the Extreme school or any of the schools for that matter with the kart. I would need to hook a battery up to the kart with a 12v hook up to even think about the Extreme school though.

I want to at least do the comp school if they will work with a kart driver that is.

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Keith,

I spoke with Jinx at a Danville event last year about using my CM car. He strongly recommended using a street car instead for all sorts of reasons including instructor ride/drive ability.

Mostly, however, a mod car is simply too labor intensive and variable for so many runs in a short time period.

He said a rental automatic is better than trying to use a single seat formula car . . . he has been there, done that.

Dick

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

Aaron,

I'm interested. I would run my 2001 Mustang GT on old "summer" street tires.

Jinx told me that using a street car would be an effective way to help me get rid of "rust and cobwebs" in my C Mod driving after so may years of minimal activity.

Dick

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

I'm interested - thanks!

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91/95 Miata, 02 Focus SVT, 01 Ford F250, 09 Suzuki SV650SF
rusty 84 C4 Vette, tiny piece of the General Lei
Irish Sport Horse - 1hp NA!

Thanks Dick. The problem I see is that the kart or a CM car is just so different that it I can't see just how much would translate from an automatic rental or my daily driver for that matter to the kart. The kart has such huge slip angles that you can't even think about driving it like a car. Maybe I am thinking wrong here. I have taken two Evo schools several years ago where Jinx instructed at both.

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Couple of bicycles

Keith,

Those are my concerns also. However, I think we need to look at the schools as technique and bad habit oriented rather than learning the limits of the car. Think how important "looking ahead" is at kart speeds!

FYI when I started running CM at Pro Solos in 1993 after running ASP and FS it took about 3 events to get to where I was "ahead of the car" again rather than playing "catch up". Other than that learning the limits was no different from adapting to different tires and course conditions with my previous ASP or FS cars.

If you run the kart at Pros and Tours with lots of kart competition you will learn how fast the kart can really go rather quickly.

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

I am intersted, however I will likely not have the money that time of year to actually sign up.

If th ings were to change between now and the proposed date, I would likely sign up, just not holding my breath.

This school also "costs" roughly a set of medium compound r-comps or a good bit of a street tire right?

I want to say Karl found cords on some R6 takeoffs last year. Does that sound about right?

Could you potentially bring the kart+street car - run exercises in the car w/instruction, then hop in the kart a few times during the day to put the lessons in practice?

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One of those LeMonHeads...
91/95 Miata, 02 Focus SVT, 01 Ford F250, 09 Suzuki SV650SF
rusty 84 C4 Vette, tiny piece of the General Lei
Irish Sport Horse - 1hp NA!

I don't know if they corded or not, but he did do the school with 2 drivers in the same car, which is very tough on tires.

That said, at least a good set of street tires would probably see a lot of usage, yet this is probably equivalent to a season worth of experience, but focusing on the right stuff. I would absolutely buy a set of R6's for this in my camber challenged pig. - AB

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Super Westerfield Bros - '93 Integra - LeChump Du Jour
STX 93 - Scion FR-S

Ask Jinx or Eric

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

If I do this it would be with 5 year old 320 treadwear rated well worn Firestone Wide Ovals. These are likely to "last" if driven without too much wheelspin or grinding understeer. Again apparently the goal is to focus on technique rather than learning the limits of your car on stickies.

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Dick Rasmussen

FS 50 2018 Mustang GT

I attended the most recent Extreme School in last summer's heat, and there were some corded RComps during the event. As it's 2 days, there's (IIRC) roughly +/-80 runs on the weekend (lots of deuces, each lap counted as one run). It might have been less, but sure felt like 2 season's worth of driving.

My StarSpecs shed about 3-4/32" tread during those two days, which is not too unexpected for 200 treadwear tires.

Well worth the cost, however. Driving skill development reaps a greater reward than car parts. Datalogging was helpful too.

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2007 GPW Honda S2000-- STR 86

We put a brand new set of Hoosier R6s for Karl & Chris to take the class last August. We counted about 150 runs for both drivers on Karl's S2000, which included instructor runs. The fronts were showing a tad of cord at the end, the rears still had life in them. We put R6s on the car, instead of A6s, to deal with the August heat, 2 drivers, and the large number of back-to-back runs. In the Extreme School all student runs are 2 laps around the course. This coupled with many runs in a session equates to a lot of heat.

The R6s never overheated and they got an amazing number of runs out of them. A6s with a single driver might be OK. Streets tires will definitely be the cheapest and most convenient way to go since each driver will get about 70 runs over the 2 days (that includes the instructor runs).

We thought about running some Kumhos or Toyos, but since the school was so close to Nationals it was worth the extra money for them to dial into the Hoosiers. It obviously worked for Chris since she did well at Lincoln.

I'd like to take the class myself, we'll see how things are going at the time.