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If I had a nickle for every time I was leading after 4 runs.... :evil:

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I was just there for Sunday, but I have to say this:

That was the most fun autocross course I have ever had the pleasure to drive.

Thank you. :)

The 3 regulars in HS did have a great competition, and it looks like we even might have mixed the order up a little. If I didn't ALWAYS get on the gas early at every Sanford sweeper like I was still in a RWD and end up killing my exit speed through understeer, I might even have pushed Gwen's 62+2... ;) I guess I have another thing to work on for next year!

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I agree with Martyn, this may be my favorite autox course to date. Who came up with the design by the way?

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I agree with Martyn, this may be my favorite autox course to date. Who came up with the design by the way?


Karl, with help from Rodney and Charlie, I think. I told Karl Sat evening that if he never designed another course he should walk away from this one a happy man. Then Sunday's course was even better as far as I was concerned. I was amazed how just mirroring the course on the runway could change it so much. Again, a great time both days.

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JamesShort wrote:
I agree with Martyn, this may be my favorite autox course to date. Who came up with the design by the way?


I liked it too. It had some great technical areas and I really enjoyed the fast sections with 2>3 & 3>2 shifting! If I had the cojones to carry as much speed as my car was capable of, I think I would've been in 3rd even more. :P

It's odd to me that some people (non-THSCC'ers) absolutely hated the course... :whoknows: To each their own, I suppose.

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It's odd to me that some people (non-THSCC'ers) absolutely hated the course... :whoknows: To each their own, I suppose.
Really!?!? What were they saying about it?

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Calling it a "design" is giving us WAY more credit than we deserve. :lol:

It was the autocross VPs plus President Dustin, and I suppose I was "lead designer," if you will. I had some overall strategies in mind. The main one was, I didn't want it to feel like an autocross course that was dropped out of an airplane piece by piece. You know the type. Slalom, whitespace. Lane change, whitespace. C-box, whitespace. That's what I was trying to avoid. I'm not sure we managed it, but that was the idea. :lol:

The taxiway, I think, is the worst possible place to try and design an autocross course. I hate it. We went through probably five different revisions for Saturday's. On around revision three, it looked exactly like a slalom all the way down the runway. Because that's what it was. So, we made an effort to not make it look like a billion-cone slalom. This was a mistake, at least, I think it was in hindsight. Any experienced autocrosser could see that most of the taxiway was sort of a big slalom, or maybe a few of them daisy chained together. Making a slalom cone into a gate just for the purpose of making it not look like a slalom cone runs counter to my philosophy of "simple is better." Nationals courses have a lot of cones out that, strictly speaking, don't need to be there. Maybe that's what I was subconsciously trying to emulate.

One member from a visiting club (whose opinion I respect) really hated the exit of the sweeper at the far end, into those two simple gates, on Sunday. He said it was visually misleading. I didn't buy it - after all, it was a sweeper that fed into two 2-cone gates - but I can see the point. Those gates probably should have been made of more cones. As it was, it could have been easily interpreted as something you went in from the side of it, rather than head on. I wonder if that's how he was DNFing. Anyway, one person's "visually obvious" is another person's "visual train wreck."

It's very interesting to me how mixed the opinions ended up being. As we now see, a lot of people really liked them. Other folks really hated them. What I didn't hear a lot of was "it was okay." Chris Cline told me he liked it because he found it "fast and difficult," and that made me happy.

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JamesShort wrote:
Really!?!? What were they saying about it?


Honestly, I'm not trying to stir any stuff up but... here's the link, as requested. Other evidence is out on the internets. 8)

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The taxiway, I think, is the worst possible place to try and design an autocross course.


Bar none, its the worst. I almost wish they would rip that part up so we wouldn't use it anymore.

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Zach Hill wrote:
JamesShort wrote:
Really!?!? What were they saying about it?


Honestly, I'm not trying to stir any stuff up but... here's the link, as requested. Other evidence is out on the internets. 8)


Wow, blaming the course design for a blown engine? Now that is a new one.

FWIW, I really liked the course except the start and the diagonal slalom. The start was awkward since I was in between slalom cones when shifting from 1st to 2nd, but that is somewhat car dependant. As for the diagonal slalom, I didn't like it just because I sucked at it! :lol: I just couldn't get it through my head that I had to SLOW down when I got there! :banghead:

Still it was a perfect weather day and it was good to get back out and saw the wheel through some cones. Thanks again to Judi for letting me skin some rubber off her V710s in her Focus SVT.

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Ryan, your avatar picture is strangely appropriate for this thread. :lol:

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Zach Hill wrote:
JamesShort wrote:
Really!?!? What were they saying about it?


Honestly, I'm not trying to stir any stuff up but... here's the link, as requested. Other evidence is out on the internets. 8)


That was worth a laugh. For the record I'd rather cone every run and finish DFL than stay home and do yardwork. Unfortunately, it's obvious when you look at my landscaping, or lack thereof.

I think this is the same person that skipped out on working Day 1, but I've been wrong before. :roll:

I've never 'hated' a course design, just my driving and lack of intrepting the elements at speed. Early Greenville courses were tough for me and frustrating due to the lot, but I just realized that everyone had to deal with the same issues and tryed to stay focused on the areas that were toughest.

Saturday's course was absolutely one of my favorites of all time but Sunday was a little hazy running in group 5. I'm kicking myself for not walking down along the grass during group 4 to get my bearings again.


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Matt McGrain wrote:
I think this is the same person that skipped out on working Day 1, but I've been wrong before. :roll:


I'm nearly certain that it's the same person.

One has to consider the source every time there are complaints about something on the internet. :)

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Matt McGrain wrote:
I think this is the same person that skipped out on working Day 1, but I've been wrong before. :roll:

+1

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Karl Shultz wrote:

One member from a visiting club (whose opinion I respect) really hated the exit of the sweeper at the far end, into those two simple gates, on Sunday. He said it was visually misleading. I didn't buy it - after all, it was a sweeper that fed into two 2-cone gates - but I can see the point. Those gates probably should have been made of more cones. As it was, it could have been easily interpreted as something you went in from the side of it, rather than head on. I wonder if that's how he was DNFing. Anyway, one person's "visually obvious" is another person's "visual train wreck."


At the exit of the sweeper, there was one lone gate which was followed by the lane change (3x 2 two cone gates, slightly offset). How is this not obvious? The 1 lone two cone gate was there to direct you a given way into the lane change, and then there was a lane change. I don't see how you can get confused about this part of the course.

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