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JasonWatts · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:12 pm

JamesShort wrote:

.....not sure if it's 12 seconds faster though

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I assure you it is not faster... :oops:

Scott Johnson · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:38 pm

JamesShort wrote:

Hell, if you just drive literally straight through a slalom and drive right over all 6 cones, that's a +6 in my eyes.....not sure if it's 12 seconds faster though

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It's faster than trying to drive around them, but hitting all 6 anyhow.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 5:43 pm

scottjohnson wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Hell, if you just drive literally straight through a slalom and drive right over all 6 cones, that's a +6 in my eyes.....not sure if it's 12 seconds faster though

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It's faster than trying to drive around them, but hitting all 6 anyhow.

I think that guy who posted just before you know's exactly how that is

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Steven Carter · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:20 pm

thanks to all the veeps and behind-the-scenes folks who made NCAC go so very smoothly! I could tell that a lot of time and effort was spent in making for a high quality event, and was proud to be a THSCC member as a result...well done! I very much appreciate all the hard work...

RobLupella · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 8:28 pm

JamesShort wrote:

scottjohnson wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

Hell, if you just drive literally straight through a slalom and drive right over all 6 cones, that's a +6 in my eyes.....not sure if it's 12 seconds faster though

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It's faster than trying to drive around them, but hitting all 6 anyhow.

I think that guy who posted just before you know's exactly how that is

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Maybe at the next novice school we will plan an extensive lesson on courseworking. We can set up situations and then test the students to see if they know how to properly call cones, DNF's, etc. There are times when it is confusing and stuff that looks obvious to us is confusing to novices. I still remember getting yelled at when I worked the course at one of my first events because I couldn't find the box the cone went in :oops:

The more we can avoid those situations is better for everyone.

Arthur McDonald · **Joined:** Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:54 am **Posts:** 2052

I thoroughly enjoyed the event - though I got a very unpleasant glimpse of the future when Stephen started whooping it up after he got the time slip for his last run Sunday. It's wonder he didn't punch a hole through the roof with his fist pumps! Congrats Stephen - I didn't think you were man enough to tame the 5.0, but you proved me wrong. Maybe one day Michael can do the same

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Mon Oct 04, 2010 10:18 pm

RobLupella wrote:

Maybe at the next novice school we will plan an extensive lesson on courseworking.

Rob, I think that's an excellent idea.

KendtEklund · **Joined:** Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:29 pm **Posts:** 1204

Thanks to everyone that worked so hard to put on such a great event.

I had a blast both days - Saturday was my favorite, probably because that was the day I was fastest. Of course I do that on the day that *doesn't* count for TH points

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MAJOR thanks to Colin O'Connell for letting me use his wheels when I found out one of my tires was ruined by the folks who mounted it. More proof of what a stand-up group of folks there are in THSCC

I was considering boosting my car, but I think CSP next year will be too much fun to miss out on.

Fastest run Sat - 59.813

Stephen Westerfield · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 12:52 am

Arthur McDonald wrote:

I thoroughly enjoyed the event - though I got a very unpleasant glimpse of the future when Stephen started whooping it up after he got the time slip for his last run Sunday. It's wonder he didn't punch a hole through the roof with his fist pumps! Congrats Stephen - I didn't think you were man enough to tame the 5.0, but you proved me wrong. Maybe one day Michael can do the same

Thanks Art. The new 5.0 was a Monster! I honestly didn't think I was going to have anything for you two on Sunday after my poor performance on Saturday. All that extra horsepower went to my head and I was having trouble regulating my romping of the go pedal. I started to wish Mike had bought a WRX instead....NOT! Dropping a few pounds of pressure in the rear made all the difference on Day 2 though and I was gaining confidence until I saw your 59.3 on the last run. I had my work cut out for me for sure. I apologize if I was just a wee bit excited picking up that final time slip.

Great event though. As a few other have said, I was a little nervous about getting 180 cars through the course on Sunday with day light left to do trophies, but it all worked out. The few things I think we can take away from this weekend are the following.

1. 5 run groups should be avoided if at all possible. The only conditions that might require that would be high attendance numbers in extreme heat. Even with 180+ people on Sunday, there weren't enough workers to cover the long course. I heard a numerous complaints about that. It gave the 2 driver cars hell on Saturday too.

2. Extra worker in the bus should always be avoided if we can. With 3 cars on course, having two extra people in there (one calling out times to the finish and one announcing) was just to much chatter to handle. Unfortunately with the display busted, one of those was necessary. The announcer really should have been outside though getting the times as they were called out on the radio.

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 8:46 am

Stephen Westerfield wrote:

Arthur McDonald wrote:

I thoroughly enjoyed the event - though I got a very unpleasant glimpse of the future when Stephen started whooping it up after he got the time slip for his last run Sunday. It's wonder he didn't punch a hole through the roof with his fist pumps! Congrats Stephen - I didn't think you were man enough to tame the 5.0, but you proved me wrong. Maybe one day Michael can do the same

Thanks Art. The new 5.0 was a Monster! I honestly didn't think I was going to have anything for you two on Sunday after my poor performance on Saturday. All that extra horsepower went to my head and I was having trouble regulating my romping of the go pedal. I started to wish Mike had bought a WRX instead....NOT! Dropping a few pounds of pressure in the rear made all the difference on Day 2 though and I was gaining confidence until I saw your 59.3 on the last run. I had my work cut out for me for sure. I apologize if I was just a wee bit excited picking up that final time slip.

Great event though. As a few other have said, I was a little nervous about getting 180 cars through the course on Sunday with day light left to do trophies, but it all worked out. The few things I think we can take away from this weekend are the following.

1. 5 run groups should be avoided if at all possible. The only conditions that might require that would be high attendance numbers in extreme heat. Even with 180+ people on Sunday, there weren't enough workers to cover the long course. I heard a numerous complaints about that. It gave the 2 driver cars hell on Saturday too.

2. Extra worker in the bus should always be avoided if we can. With 3 cars on course, having two extra people in there (one calling out times to the finish and one announcing) was just to much chatter to handle. Unfortunately with the display busted, one of those was necessary. The announcer really should have been outside though getting the times as they were called out on the radio.

I agree with the above (except for the Subaru comment

). Furthermore, in regard to the 5 run groups, drivers were being sent way too quickly (I only hit 5 minutes between runs once on Sunday). I barely had time to check my tire pressures and collect my thoughts. Granted, I think it might have had to do with the fact that run group 1 was only TIR. Not sure if other groups felt that way.

MarcusMcRae · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:05 am

JamesShort wrote:

I agree with the above (except for the Subaru comment

). Furthermore, in regard to the 5 run groups, drivers were being sent way too quickly (I only hit 5 minutes between runs once on Sunday). I barely had time to check my tire pressures and collect my thoughts. Granted, I think it might have had to do with the fact that run group 1 was only TIR. Not sure if other groups felt that way.

That's generally how all at once run groups go. I like our split run groups for the simple fact of being able to discuss the course and maybe ride with someone else to get another look at the course. It sucks being rushed during your runs.

You can always tell the grid person your not ready.

Gwen Habenicht · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:12 am

JamesShort wrote:

I barely had time to check my tire pressures and collect my thoughts. Granted, I think it might have had to do with the fact that run group 1 was only TIR. Not sure if other groups felt that way.

I ran 1st heat Saturday. Between 2 runs I never got my helmet off, much less time to check tire pressures or think. I could have asked Patrice to pass me for a 5 minute break, but if everyone had done that it would have brought things to a stop. I think 1st heat on Saturday ended up being sort of a shake down-get the bugs out-etc, for the weekend. Most of us didn't get our first couple of run times. Some (me included) were scrambling around trying to get someone to watch for our times. That wasn't a function of the 5 run groups, however-just stuff that did actually get worked out due to club members stepping up for a plan B. After that it appeared to work out better in grid. Now that we've seen things in action, it's clear that grid could have held enough cars to do 4 run groups with that many people. Now we know. Sometimes it's better to just toss plan A, (5 groups) and figure out plan B (4 groups). Just my $.02 worth from someone who wouldn't want to be worker coordinator.

Karl Shultz · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:18 am

MarcusMcRae wrote:

JamesShort wrote:

I agree with the above (except for the Subaru comment

). Furthermore, in regard to the 5 run groups, drivers were being sent way too quickly (I only hit 5 minutes between runs once on Sunday). I barely had time to check my tire pressures and collect my thoughts. Granted, I think it might have had to do with the fact that run group 1 was only TIR. Not sure if other groups felt that way.

That's generally how all at once run groups go. I like our split run groups for the simple fact of being able to discuss the course and maybe ride with someone else to get another look at the course. It sucks being rushed during your runs.

You can always tell the grid person your not ready.

You guys are both right. Naturally, it's going to feel a lot more hurried when you're doing AAO runs versus split runs. Some folks prefer the downtime between half of their runs. I wasn't standing right there, so I can't comment on whether "way too quickly" was actually overly quick, or just fast. Anyway, the smaller the rungroup, of course, the more rapid fire everybody's runs are going to be. It's a balancing act, and a job I don't envy the worker coordinators one bit.

Personally, I prefer the AAO format. I find that doing runs close together keeps the prior run fresh in my mind, so the mistakes I made can be more readily addressed. When you make as many mistakes as I do, any memory aids are bound to be beneficial. :lol:

Even having a codriver I find it helpful. I'm much more able to articulate my thoughts on a run immediately after it than I am three hours later, and setup changes to the car are more meaningful too. A setup change that made sense at 10:30AM might not work at 3:00.

Different strokes, I suppose. I'm sure whoever our autocross VPs are next year will figure out how best to do run groups. Or they'll just do what they happen to like. :wink:

JamesShort · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:35 am

Karl, I wasn't trying to be overly critical. In a two day event, you have the day before/after to compare to, but Saturday, there was a lot longer between runs (5-7 minutes) than on Sunday, so that's the only reason I mention it (Sat was OF, LAD, TIR and Sunday was only TIR). I actually do prefer AAO myself, just with a bit more time between runs that's all

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Donnie Barnes · **Posted:** Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:36 am

I understand all Karl's points, and they're good ones.

I'm different, though. I've done better at every autocross with split runs than AAO. I don't know why, but somehow I'm able to better evaluate everything with that downtime and get myself in better sync with the course. I've even had days where I screwed up the setup change thanks to that time difference yet still went WAY faster than the morning just because I drove so much better.

I'm the most deadly when there ends up being time for two morning and then THREE afternoon runs. Something about that time difference and then having that extra afternoon run really gets me in the zone.

I FTD'ed and FTPAXed Sanford in the CSP Spyder once when I went off in BOTH morning runs. I'm really very confident in saying I wouldn't have had either of those awards if we had done AAO. I was just out of sync and needed that time. I know, that's not the normal case, but that's still been my experience when I had a couple "normal" first runs. The course "settles in" to my head, I get to watch people go through things that are now better in my mind, etc.

I think this is why I'm better at, and have always preferred, ProSolos.

Just more food for thought.

--Donnie

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