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Speaking historically, when I was a VP, I didn't have a problem seeing event chairs running the course after it was setup. I believe the rule of thumb was that you do 1-2 safety checks in the forward direction, and then any other "fun runs" were done by running the course from the finish to the start. That way you didn't get too much of an advantage.

With that said, running the course, and "having fun" as described in the past day, are two different things.

Steve, I respectfully ask that you please stop gloating, and show a little bit of respect for the activity that this club was founded on. We get that you don't enjoy autocrossing.

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In need of car.

exactly...what you are describing above, "run the course finish-to-start in my own car a few times" is exactly what should be expected and IMO nothing more.

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05 MCS

I am definitely AGAINST "vetting" event chairs. Let anyone volunteer. I was just saying that if you let them have free reign to do with a site what they want on setup day, you unfortunately have to. If some noob in a Viper volunteers to chair an event so that he can have his playtime at Laurinburg and run the Maxton mile, we're in trouble.

There have to be a set of reasonable rules in place as to whats allowed on setup day and whats not. To me, its set up the course, check it for safety, and run it backwards a couple time if you want to have some fun. If autocross isn't fun to you, you volunteered for the wrong event to help out with.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV

Brice, sorry I was rude. I think this vetting process happens naturally. If someone wants to volunteer and doesn't have much experience, then they get paired with someone more experienced. If someone is suspected to be reckless, then I'm guessing they wouldn't be allowed to chair. This is as it should be.

Isn't this why we have VPs? To oversee, approve and make sure a course is safe?

Let anyone volunteer. No need to blacklist anyone. Hard enough to get people to volunteer in the first place.

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2000 Subaru Impreza 2.5RS, Silver #008
2011 RallyX VP
2011, 2014, 2015 RallyX Champion - NO4

Wow, there's a lot of angry people in here.

First of all, I just want to say I over-reacted yesterday when Maria told me she had been instructed not to do anything fun during setup, and had specifically been asked if I was going to be there. There's just some stuff that has building for a while, and the pot boiled over. Richard, feel free to delete those first two threads I made yesterday.

And there are apparently some misconceptions about what we were planning. All I wanted to do was to set up a couple of pivot cones and teach Maria and Liz how to do handbrake turns on tarmac. Liz has the rallyx pivot cone nailed now, and it's time to move to tarmac. And since I had asked Maria if we could do this if we went and helped with setup, she said she wanted to learn, too. For those who have no clue, to get an STi to do a 180° handbrake turn, you need to be going about 20mph when you pull the handbrake. I'm guessing a Mini would be about the same. Yeah, I know that's pretty fast! So I can see why people were so concerned. Other than that, I'd want to maybe drive the course a few times backward and drift the car in a couple of places that were undisputably safe to do so.

It was good to see other people's viewpoints on this (the ones who actually had a point other than IhavenoideawhatI'mtalkingaboutbutOMFG!!!yoregonnakillsumboddy!!!!11!!!!!1that'sdangerwous!!!!11!!).

I understand now that autox is serious business, and I need to figure out a way to get some playtime that doesn't involve autox in any way. And when I do, I'll take your $100, Vincent.

So anyway, I don't want to cause Maria any more stress, so I'm out for Greenville setup, but if I haven't gotten too many people's panties in a wad, I'm definitely still in for chairing Danville, playtime or not. I'm sure we can set up a course that makes Sunday fun.

Steve, yore awesome.

The sites aren't "THAT" expensive. It wouldn't take too many people willing to pay $50-$100 to pull it off. Figure out how to get it covered under someone's insurance, go over it with the site owner and go for it. Seriously.

I'd call it an extreme car control clinic, or something along those lines.

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In need of car.

As painful as even this thread is, I am glad it didn't stop at the other two threads yesterday. I think everyone has a better understanding now of what happens, what shouldn't happen and why now than we did a few days ago. I am not sure if we are approaching the group hug point, but it seems to be generally heading in that direction which is a good thing.

All of this talk actually has me excited in trying to goto an event in the near future. I am busy this weekend, but will try to find time to make it happen in the near future.

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Richard Casto
1972 Porsche 914
2013 Honda Fit Sport
2015 Honda Fit EX
http://motorsport.zyyz.com
Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

The pen has already met the paper. (I don't do spreadsheets)

Crap, just call it a drift event. That's basically what you're talking about, right?

Insurance companies/local site owners are already letting it happen, so it's not completely foreign to them.

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In need of car.

can i bring the civic to this said drift event?

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'11 RallyX VP
1998 Integra Type R - track fun
1999 Subaru 2.5RS - dirt fun

heh heh heh...my stealthy plans are playing out beautifully.....

Oh yeah, and as a newb co-chair for this weekend, please direct all commentary to Maria.

BTW, if someone would resurrect the van thread showing one with an awning and generator then we'd hit for the cycle on all touchy topics (ducks)

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Steve Carter
1972 Datsun 240Z-- resto pics at http://picasaweb.google.com/srcartermd
2007 GPW Honda S2000-- STR 86

Sadly, there are way more topics of death

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STF 9

Sure, but trying to drift a FWD car is challenge to say the least. Just making a car slide sideways (e-brake turns for example) doesn't qualify as 'drifting'.

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Vincent Keene
'06 Ford Mustang GT (track rat)
'15 Dodge Charger R/T (yeah, it's got a HEMI!)
'07 Ford Fusion SE (205,000 miles and counting)
'98 Chevy Z-24 (retired)
'93 Acura Integra (Team SWB 24HOL Car)

Just to clarify (and it says it in my original post) I do not advocate being picky on event chairs and freezing out noobs. My point was that unless we have reasonable limitations on "playtime" for event chairs, we might have to start doing so. I have no doubt that Kevin won't hurt anything "playing around" during setup. But the noob in an Sti who shows up and says "well, you let him do ______" has a very good point. At that point, we aren't laying down a consistent set of rules.

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2012 MX-5 Sport SUV