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 Post subject: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2011 10:48 pm 
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Fyi if you need some this appears to be the best price I have seen locally by about $5 a can. Probably not going to restock at that price based on what I have been hearing about refrigerant prices.

Apex Supertarget had at least 1/2 dozen on the shelf after I grabbed 4.

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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:10 pm 
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Mike,

what have you been hearing about Refrigerant prices?

I know everything is increasing in price, but is there something specific about R-134a?


Seems like last time I bought it, it was ~$5-6 per can- probably 2 years ago though.

But the last time I bought R-12 from a store it was 0.99 cents per can.............
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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:31 pm 
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Haven't been able to find any tech to back this up, so take it with a grain of salt

From http://www.rockauto.com/Newsletter/archives/4711.html :

Refrigerant Changes Lead to Higher AC Repair Costs

Owners of 1994 and newer cars, this is the time to fix your air conditioner. Not just because warm summer days are coming (hurray!) and RockAuto has AC compressors, condensers, evaporators, and other AC parts that we are eager to sell. Fix your AC because you will soon officially be joining the owners of 1993 and older cars in having environmentally unfriendly and expensive refrigerant under your hoods.

In 1994, R-12 (branded as Freon) refrigerant was replaced with R-134a in new vehicle AC systems. R-12 had contributed to holes in the earth’s ozone layer. Production of new R-12 was banned in the United States and most other countries. The price of recycled R-12 skyrocketed. R-12 smuggling became as lucrative as drug smuggling. The last time I had an AC system charged, the R-12 cost $60 a pound.

Now R-134a is on the chopping block because it has a “global warming potential” (GWP) of 1400. Carbon dioxide is the baseline with a GWP of 1. This means R-134a is a greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming 1400 times as much as an equal amount of CO2.

Regulations now specify that refrigerants have a GWP of less than 150. New vehicles in Europe are required to have low GWP refrigerant starting this year. In the US, low GWP refrigerant will be phased in from 2013 to 2016 depending on the vehicle manufacturer.

The preferred new refrigerant is something called R-1234yf. It has a GWP of only 4. It requires special lubricating oils and handling equipment. It is also slightly flammable. AC fittings will be changed to help prevent the mixing of R-1234yf with R-134a.

This time around the production of the old refrigerant, R-134a, will not be banned. But R-134a will be federally taxed so its price is forced up from about $10 a pound to about $40 a pound, the expected price of R-1234yf. The tax is intended to further discourage people from attempting to use R-134a in one of the upcoming new cars designed to use R-1234yf.

This means refrigerant for the typical two pound R-134a AC charge will cost $80 instead of $20. That lost $60 might buy an AC O-ring set, an AC receiver drier or help pay for labor or other needed air conditioning parts. If your AC system needs work or frequent recharging, you will likely save some money by fixing it sooner rather than later.

Tom Taylor,
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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:58 pm 
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When r12 was being phased out, my uncle filled 5, 20 lb tanks for ~$80. A few months later it was worth a couple thousands dollars :).

Maybe I'll go buy a few large tanks of 134a for when that happens :).

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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 4:46 pm 
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Thanks Mike, I kinda figured something like this was coming.


BTW, when I first read your reply, I thought the replacement refrigerant was called R-1234WTF ..............
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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Sun May 01, 2011 2:02 pm 
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Just got a 12oz bottle from Autozone. It was $15. When our local target cleared out some of their car care stuff I got a few bottles for $1.88.

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 Post subject: Re: R134a 12oz $9.99 @ Target
PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2011 7:56 am 
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Just a heads up, Big Lots is advertising 12oz R134a for $8/can May 29th thru June 4th

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