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I have not seen the TSCC forum postings. I was wondering if we cannot get insurance coverage because of the beer festival being on the same site then how is TSCC getting coverage? I have not been an active auto-Xer in some time but back then K&K was the only game in town for club insurance.

I think our members should attend the CAC because it annoys the other clubs when we take home more than our fair share of trophys.

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George Bright Member # 141
One of the youngest of the old farts.
Yes I voted against you joining the club.

This isn't up for discussion here. I will be happy to discuss this with anyone in person. My # can be found in the contact list on the web page.

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

I did. I'll be involved in some interesting face to face discussions tomorrow, that's guaranteed. I won't be positioning myself as a THSCC rep, but as a person that is not a fan of soap operas.

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Has no responsibility whatsoever.

I vote for Option A because I have wanted to see if I have improved against the state competition since last year. However, I would probably not be able to do the event on the 13th. Switching the dates on 2 events in one year, on such short notice, creates havoc with my wife's schedule that is set 3 months in advance.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Why can't we know all the facts? Why is this club so damned secret about stuff? Stephen, please don't take this as an attack on you, but this happens repeatedly with this club. Maybe it happens in all clubs, I don't know, but it sure does drive me nuts.

Also, after reading the TSCC forums, I too wondered how they could think the THSCC officers could be lying or incompetent. Then I come read all our threads on it, and I can't help but wonder just what the heck is going on myself. Not posting that fax sure seems fishy to me. I can't imagine any scenario where we would do something truly *bad* like they are implying, but it still seems fishy right now. I can certainly understand how people that *don't* know everyone involved would think.

Also, let me just say this...either these forums are private or they are not. Allowing non-members to join is silly if we are keeping them private. Either open them up, or keep non-members out. Everyone should still assume there might be folks here who are members of other clubs and speak accordingly, but this half-way business makes no sense.

Last, I'll just say that communication with the NCAC volunteers sucked last year and it sucked this year. Speaking as the NCAC webmaster, of course. Hell, I don't even know if I have a site to manage now. *shrug*

The NCAC site seems down right now (or my connection to it is), but when it comes back I'm taking the whole thing down until someone in some official capacity tells me what to do. Or maybe I'll just keep the thing a big secret.


--Donnie

All I can say is WOW! This is not what I planned for. I had visions of grandeur that have completely gone into the toilet. I have been on the road since 2am this morning and 17 hours of driving lets you reflect on a bunch of shit.

First things first, we will NOT be holding an event in Sanford the same day as whatever happens in Greensboro.

There are a MULTITUDE, of reasons for being where we are now. There are plenty of things that should have been done differently, but hashing that out is not gonna accomplish a damn thing.

The next question is, do we wanna go back to the other 3 clubs with our hat in our hand and make this work? I cant understand how we get a different answer from K&K than they do. It seems that we will stress our core members by having 2, 2 day events back to back. I for one dont wanna do it.

I have 17 hours back on Sunday, so I still got plent of thinking time. This shit makes wedding plans and going to northern Michigan twice in 3 weeks look like cake.

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I'll work on that when I get back to NC, I just cant do it right now. When I get my hands on the fax, I will post it.

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There is also no rule against someone being a member of both clubs (many are). We could always make a motion at the next meeting to make that a rule, but I doubt that would be a good idea.

Donnie, see Emmie's post about doing away with forums.

In all seriousness though, that has a lot to do with it. Like I said, anyone who wants to know anything can call me and I will walk you through it. I'm not going to post facts here for everyone to just start posting thier opinions on and intensify the miscommunications that have already taken place. At this point, the best plan is just to figure out what is best to move forward and take that course of action. There is a bunch of he said, she saids that bringing up here....well, it isn't going to solve anything. It isn't a secret, this just isn't the place to discuss it and not have it get blown out of proportion like it did on other forums. That won't help the situation at hand.

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Stephen Westerfield
2009 Infiniti M35 | 2007 Honda Fit Sport | 2005 Ford Mustang GT |2000 GMC Sierra |1992 Acura Integra LS | Super Westerfield Bros Acura Integra

Scott, one of us has mis-read what Donnie posted.

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In need of car.

I can't pick either option because I don't know the facts.
If we messed up and they have a right to be angry, I'd vote for "A" and be concilatory towards them.
If we didn't mess up and this conflict is their overreacting or need to control, I'll go to Charlotte and watch my daughter's soccer tournament. I don't want to reward misbehavior.
I think it very wrong of the other clubs to abandon the NCAC and have the CAC on the same date. A better option would have been for them to invite us to a face to face meeting to discuss the problems and solutions. Leaving us out was wrong.
I can't help but feel there are other issues, past or present, that have led up to this situation. I would appreciate somebody calling me and educating me - 252-756-3053. I'll be home all weekend puttting a new clutch and my rebuilt transmission back in the car. I may go to watch drag racing Saturday afternoon in Kinston and/or redneck circle track racing in Robersonville.

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Rubbin' is Racin'

Walter I counldn't agree more!!! Its Very hard to make an Informed decision without knowing the facts.
I voted A because I feel that is what will be for the betterment of autox in North Carolina..I have no other way to weight or judge what my decision should be. Gwen and I race through out the state, and would like to continue to do so. The only thing I know for sure is that there is a communication problem somewhere. I want whats best for autox... I also hate rewarding bad behavior.

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2004 C5(415whp,390ft/lbs),
1997C5,1997Trans Am, 1986 C4,
1990 Miata, 1976 MGB,1997 Protege, 1989 MR2

Option A!!! Let's go race and represent THSCC in a positive light.

To be honest, I was really bummed after reading page after page on the TSCC forums how we lost the insurance privileges due to the Beer Chuggers Festival. I had a blast last year racing an unfamiliar venue with elevation changes and great course visibility.

Not to get off track (Stephen's doing a great job with this debacle, btw) but come on, a beer fest and cars spinning around in an adjacent parking lot? At least in Nascar, they have concrete walls for seperation. I can see why the outcome for us was so. But hell, if another club can get coverage, more power to them. I'll race.

Personally, I'll probably skip Sanford to save my Kumhos considering the Greenville event is next week.

One last thing, after the debate, I would strongly recommend keeping the club points competition for the most trophies.

-Matt

This whole debacle is really a shame. The inflated corporate egos between the clubs have been painful for years. This is not just a THSCC/TSCC thing, every club has its prickly points. It's very unfortunate that all the clubs involved have allowed relations to get to this point.

I do hope that the 4 clubs don't throw out a unique 20-year history over what boils down to an Internet pissing match. As far as I know, there is no other similar series anywhere in the country, there is definitely no series as long lived as the NCAC.

I hope THSCC doesn't host a competing event the week after the "CAC" event as that will serve no purpose other than inflaming already hot relations between the clubs.

Edit: I'd suggest just dropping the formal trophy count competition. It's needlessly inflammatory as well given the state of relations.

--Kevin H.

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2003 WRX (again!)

After reading the TSCC forums, I think I want to change my vote, from what it sounds like we have been given and ultimatum, to either join in with this CSC idea or it will be done anyway. Sorry, I don't like being given ultimatums. Some people seem to think that THSCC has been trying not to have this event at the Greensboro Colisum. It also seems like some people have been trying thier best to question every thing that they did not like that THSCC was doing so now they have an excuse to pull this idea of a CSC. Was the CSC idea an idea from all the other clubs involved or was this just an idea from TSCC to continue a way to have a 2 day event at Greensboro Colisum. I thought it was good idea by the THSCC staff to have the even in the Centrly located GC, however what would have happend if we decieded to have it at sanford from the start?

However, having said that since TSCC can get insurance and we can't then I do not see why they cannot run the event, and call it NCAC (if they are up to it). They can use our registration pages since they are already setup and already has entries for the events. We can then try next year to run NCAC at the Greensboro colsium, or another club can and we can wait for our turn when it comes around again.

I was also under the impression that this was a members only forum, and think that only Members should be able to post and read in here. I did not realize till recently that the TSCC president and VP were not members of our club. Since this is a private forum I assumed that every was under the idea that if you were a member of multiple clubs that things that were said in the this forum stayed in this forum.

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