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 Post subject: Any way that we can see the budget from 2004?
PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 2:54 pm 
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I've seen a lot of expenses and speculation about those budget items both past and present. As a dues-paying member, would it be possible to have access Excel spreadsheet with those numbers and the requisite credits and debits?

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Let me elaborate a little:

It'd be nice to see the viability of TT, Autox and Rallyx with respect to their incomes/expenditures. Also, it'd be nice to see what other things (ie wireless) were bought with the general fund.

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I agree and would like to see a copy also. After the last thread about the bus/trailer contribution fund I think it is important to see this. People may have no idea and/or bits and peices of the income/expenditures and are making comments based on part of the information.

Something on the order of an annual report, or a Whitney Spreadsheet...

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I understand the desire to see the numbers, especially when the club has had a year in which more money gone out than has come in but I'm not sure what you hope to see in the numbers.

Having said that, if someone really want to spend the hours pouring over the budget like I've done this year, Bowie has an Excel spreadsheet that keeps a running check book balance. That spreadsheet also has a break out of the what the money was spent on. I don't want to speak for him since this is really the treasurers domain, but I think he would be willing to share that with anyone who wants it.

Warning, I'm going to be elitest here. This is also more my opinion than club policy. I honestly feel that the club has elected folks who stepped up to be in charge of the operations of the club and the general membership should let them run the club. I think that having a position of authority in any club is hassle enough, without having to defend or argue with folks about how the money is spent. I feel that it is of very little benefit to publish the budget and have everyone sitting around Monday morning quarterbacking about every dollar that was spent.

As far as the different programs making or losing money I can say this. TT made money this year. That account is seperate so it is easy to break out the expenses. Autocross and Rallycross is a little harder to seperate out since some of their expenses are "shared"

For example, the yearly insurance fees and bus expenses would have to been the same if we hadn't had a rallycross program. When you add more events in the year it spreads those fixed costs out more. So when you look at it like an accountant the rallycross program reduces yearly costs for the autocross program.

Of course, we aren't that fancy. We just assumed that the fixed costs have already been paid by the autocross/general fund. That makes it easy to look at the per event costs for running a rallycross to see if they were profitible or not. So having said that I think the break even point was right at 28-30 entrants for a rallycross. So going with that figure some rallycross events made money, some broke even and one probably lost about $150.

So any way after that long post I will say these 2 things as my closing remarks. At the officer meeting we had recently, we all went over the finances, so if you want to be in that loop become an officer. Second, In 2 days the club will have a new administration and anything I say at this point is merely a suggestion and not club policy :D

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Let me express my view on this. I think it would be nice to see some break down on the cash flow of the club. Not to the per event level but for instance a tally of incomes from
Dues
Entry fees from Auto-X and Rally -X
Renting our services to Viper club etc.

And a tally of expenses:
Insurance
Bus expenses
Trophys
Site Rentals
Equipment repair and replacements ( cones, Whitney timer project, etc.)
Social expenses
Ski Trips :)
Etc.
That way the rank and file could get an idea of how things are going. When I joined the club we had to ask for renewals at the Xmas party so the club could pay for insurance.

I agree with Shawn to a point. If you do not like where the money is going become an officer so you can change things. But I think some information beyond the normal monthly Treasurer's report of we took some in and we spent some would be nice.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 9:00 pm 
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Dammit Jim, I'm a chemist not an accountant! :D

This wasn't meant to be a "call out" Jerry Springer style; rather the opposite. We've all heard that THSCC is heading for that white porcelein appliance in the water closet due to our finances and I was just wondering why. Perhaps a bird's eye view of things would help out.

Nobody's accusing Bowie of taking a vacation in the Bahamas (we'll see Saturday if he has a tan though ...), but some have wondered why the club is suddenly in "dire straights".

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I thought it was already explained that the reason there is some red in the ledger is due to lower participation at AutoX, increased site fees and bus repairs? :shrug: Showing just one years'd budget will not provide the trend data that you may be looking for.

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I'm chiming in to say I 100% agree with Shawn on this one. I see no benefit to the club in publishing the accounting information. If you have a need (not a want but a need) then I am sure that Bowie will accomodate it. If you are just curious, thats fine too. Ask your question of a club officer and they will get back to you.

Its not that we are trying to hide something but I just don't see the need for this. And I don't want to see it start and endles stream of "what if" or "how come we spent that on this" types of questions. They are frustrating, time consuming and frankly, in volume down right annoying (aren't you now glad you didn't vote me in as President!!).

Again, if you have legitimate questions or concerns feel free to bring them to one of the officers. Now, of course Scott, our incoming President, may have a completely different view on this. I'm just a former officer who is sitting on the side lines now.

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I was going to come up with my own view on this but I just say what Ron and Shawn said 2x

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We can't show you the year's expenses - you'll find out how much we have been spending on women and booze.

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MikeWhitney wrote:
We can't show you the year's expenses - you'll find out how much we have been spending on women and booze.

:)


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 17, 2004 11:45 am 
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OK, ok, now I'll be serious.

We're working on coming up with an "annual report" of the club operations for the shareholders (you).

Ideally we'd like to be able to compare the numbers from 2002 and 2003. Just looking at 2004 alone won't help too much.

Look for something in January :)

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