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How do you want your wood?
Thanks but no trophy for me 15%  15%  [ 6 ]
Keep it the same as it is now (Small event trophy, Year Long Trophy and Season Points Trophy) 37%  37%  [ 15 ]
1 Trophy that has space for all the events thru the year and a spot for a "plate" for season ending points 34%  34%  [ 14 ]
Other (If you pick this please explain below, ALL ideas are welcome) 15%  15%  [ 6 ]
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Dustin Fredrickson wrote:
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Benefits to membership, early registration, discount event fee and end of the year trophy (which are very nice).

Especially when it's YOUR car on the trophy :wink:


yes, for a limited time only, your car can appear on the 2003 year end trophy for only $6,500 :)

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Patrick Wellenius wrote:
What events do club members received discounts for? The only one I can remember was the Rally-x at rockingham where you got a discount for bringing in new participants.


My "bad", I forgot that the $5 registration discount for members was dropped. So we are not that elite :lol:

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jimpastorius wrote:
Wow, that would be elitist! No other club I have ever competed with has refused me a trophy or dash plaque because I was not a member of their club.

Benefits to membership, early registration, discount event fee and end of the year trophy (which are very nice).


I've participated with several clubs which give small trophies to non-members at events and season trophies to members.

I think the honor system would be adequate. I still like the idea of ONE plaque that represents all the events (dash plaques) AND my finishing position in class at the end of the year.

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I think we should definitely give trophies to non-members. If they earned it, they deserve it. That, IMO, is a basic principle of fairness we should honor.

It would be elitist not to. :nana:

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Carl Fisher wrote:
It would be elitist not to. :nana:


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CCR has done an optional season trophy for people who attend all or most of the events for a few seasons now. It's worked well -- all the Solo chair has to do is gather a list of people who want the EOY trophy only and they yell out "list" or "EOY trophy" at the presentation.

It definitely saves on wood cost as the 100%ers are usually trophy winners.

It doesn't help on having to still make dash plaques and carry wood to events though.

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I like the big trophy board for during the season and agree with the idea of giving all the members one at the beginning of the season. Then at each event they get a placard with the event and place. For those that don't get a place placard they at least can put the event placard.

I want the year end trophy as a seperate one and done at the Xmas party like last year. I think EOY trophies should be seperate from event trophies. The only change I would want to see is to remove that ugly green car from them. I had to send mine out and have it removed and a nice car picture put over it :lol:

Keeping the small wooden trophies for the Novices is not a bad idea.

If this is all considered expensive then raise the annual club dues by $5. Or make it an option when renewing your membership to pay the extra $5 and get one large wooden trophy board. The people who don't care can save money and opt out.

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If this is all considered expensive then raise the annual club dues by $5. Or make it an option when renewing your membership to pay the extra $5 and get one large wooden trophy board. The people who don't care can save money and opt out.

Graham


I agree - if price is the problem, I will buy a "nicer" full-year trophy at the first event of the year to house my dash plaques. Either way, I would MUCH rather have a single year-long plaque.

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One of the clubs that my brother races with in Florida (Gulf Coast Autocrossers I think) has an option for thier regulars to get a car punched for placing (3 punches for 1st, 2 for 2nd, 1 for 3rd, or something like that) and then they get a free event with so many races. (I can get details from him if you want.) We could do simething like this and still have the small trophies for those that don't trophy that often as well as novices.

Rewarding with a free race would appeal to me, but it would eliminate the prepaid year long entry fees that has been proposed before.

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I also like the idea that VMSC had on their Registration card when we last ran there. You would check a box on the card as to whether or not you wanted to receive a trophy if you won.

I expect VMSC does it to know who they need to mail trophies to since they use the more or less "run & done" format. We'd want the info beforehand so we'd know how many trophies boards to order & fix. I'm just about out of space on the app, but maybe I could move some more stuff around on it & make room for us to add some verbage for folks to be given the option to select "no trophy", "year-long" trophy, or "indiviual event trophy" -- or something similar. Maybe something on the prereg page, also?

If we just let folks know up front that we don't think they're snobs if they don't take *any* trophy for their win, it might reduce some of the trophy output. Seems to me that this sort of thing isn't something folks generally think about beforehand &, at the moment it happens, it's just easy to follow the crowd & go up & take the trophy.

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One other suggestion. To save a little carting the trophy boards to events. If we go with the one large one for the season. Why not bring them to the monthly meeting. It won't solve the whole problem but it would let the trophy bearer unload 30-50 of them.

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We dont want to exclude non club members from any part of the end of day appreciation ceremony.....unless we need to reduce the number of cars at the autoxes....

Remember...the trophy meetings are where a lot of sponsor plugs are made...and new people get a feel for who is who competition and personality wise. Issues are addressed and noobs get a feel for how the day went...for everyone.
We need everyone to feel appreciated and welcome...especially if they are sticking around at the end of the day.

We could make it a lot easier to wrap up and get those trophys out to the winners.

I would like to see the wood replaced with a second business card sized place winner plaque. Then people can do with them what they please...scrap booking, fridge magnets, toolbox emblems, dash trinkets. Maybe we should offer "at cost" a year long plaque that active members can buy at the meetings.

Have someone calling out the winners with fun comentary...and then have them file over to the table where someone else passes out the place/event cards....you can cut that time down by 1/3. The physical load is GREATLY reduced...and the big wood is handled at the meetings.

The small add on plaques should have the CLASS and the PLACING...these can all be engraved at the beginning of the year. The only waste would be the occasional class bump...or the fact that we only give one trophy some days and 3 the next....remember though that some statistical reaserch would yield the optimum number of plaques to print for each class and placing....

We could add some more loot for the track series guys....I really like the little color printed dash plaques...tey are teh bomb.

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John Hines wrote:
Maybe we should offer "at cost" a year long plaque that active members can buy at the meetings.


Just wanted to chime in that Carl started the year-long trophies when he was AXVP (I think maybe 6 or so yrs ago) & offered them for purchase anywhere, anytime for less than cost ($5). But, somehow seems like a lot of folks still don't know about them.

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I was about to second Whitney's assessment, but I take exception to the idea of denying trophies to non-members.

I do have a small I-love-me section in my upstairs hallway for my year end trophies. Did you know that in 1989 and 1990, the 1st place trophies listed each event the winner competed in and his/her finish in each of those events? Also, I keep my 1996 CCR 24 hours du LeMall 1st place trophy in my guest bathroom in honor of <if you were there, you know>.

I think we should step up the campaign to get frequent trophy recipients to opt for the year long plaques, but for those of us who trophy rarely (hey Vince, Ryan, Kenneth and the guy in that blue sedan -- thanks a bunch!), when we do earn a trophy, please have one ready for us. And if a long-time member with a room full of trophies wants another 3rd place trophy, give it to him. It's not worth getting Charlie all upset.

Event attendance is down this year, so it's not getting any worse for the poor guy who keeps the trophy box stocked. I did it for two years myself, and the real pain was keeping the inventory of wood and metal plaques topped off, and assembling the trophies and packing them so they would not get scratched up in transit. I was always able to get the big blue trophy box into the Mustang, along with all of my tires, tools, supplies, lawn chair and luggage. It took some planning, but I didn't have to go buy a pickup truck :) Of course, back in those pre-millenial days we also used to score with TITS, but that's another story.


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Without all my "also ran" (Donna has most of the 1st place ones) wall plaques covering them I might have to paint the walls in my office!
I really like the present system, and take the individual plaques rather than the YL. Honestly we do have them on the walls of our offices at the store, and they are a great conversation item and allows us to promote AX as well as our jewelry.
VMSC has you choose Dash plaque (which are actually wall plaques similar to ours) or Trophy (3-D stand up) since they have them personalized with your name and finish on them. They don't mail them out, but carry them to events at the registration table and club meetings to be picked up. Think the transport of ours is bad, they even carry around ones a couple years old!!! Why can't the plaques be left in the bus rather than someone having to store/transport them?
I'd be against any stand-up trophy or commemorative (beer mug, hat etc)
as I have a lot more wall space than shelf space, and plaques don't need dusting as often.
AX is already a "hidden" sport, I want to come away from placing at an event with something substantial to show for it.
I know what you mean about the ribbon Jim!

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