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If we're going to start counting votes at a meeting we're going to have to kick a lot of people out of the club.

IMHO, this is an officer and staff decision. There wasn't a vote to setup the forum many years ago, or the FB page more recently. I guess at some point large enough decision might require formal feedback or even a vote, but again, this is why we elect officers and appoint staff.

I would just personally ask to avoid knee jerk actions and maybe sit on this a bit and think about it before making large changes (which I expect is the plan).

Richard

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I'd like to nominate John Shealey's hair to be moderator of our Facebook page.

There used to be NCAC "Rules", which were published in the NCAC Newsletter. I'm looking at the July 1996 issue now, where they take up one page.

Rule #1: "Have fun!"

Rules #2-6 concerned assignment/calculation of NCAC season points. [There were 8 events on the calendar]

Rule #7 clarified you cannot run a car in a "higher" class (within a level of preparation), which was common practice at that time.

Rule #8: "Regional SCCA Solo II rules (1996) apply at all events unless otherwise specified in printed supplemental rules. (Host clubs are expected to publish supplemental rules prior to the event; at a minimum the rules must be distributed at registration.)"

Rule #9, which took half the page, covered protests. That's another story.

Rule #10 said that women drivers cannot change their class (open, Ladies, Ladies PAX) after registration closes.

Rule #11: "Fairness and good common sense will be applied in issues not addressed above."

There may be a newer set of rules or "bylaws" out there, but the reality is that if there is to be an accepted set of rules for this event, then the presidents of the 5 participating clubs need to meet annually and re-certify them. Otherwise, it's a club event with a fancy title.

Everybody be sure to wear your THSCC shirts the entire weekend, just in case someone wants to compliment you on the operation of the event.

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Uh, that's really all it is. Any attempt to make it any more than that has met with failure since the age of the Internet, anyway.

I had forgotten that I was involved in some attempt to formalize this stuff at some point around 8 years ago. It failed and I don't really remember why. I think we all just lost interest.

Now, it can be a *good* "club event with a fancy title", but that's about as much as you can expect. Have it at a good enough site on a date that doesn't conflict with much and a lot of people will show up. Run it well, and people will have a good time and be happy. It's really that simple.

When it's at a mediocre site, it ends up being more of a local event for the club and no big deal. IMHO, the "club cup" or whatever just helps incite the problems we see. Why we need clubs competing against each other is beyond me. The point should be NC championships in every class. *shrug* But that's just me...


--Donnie

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I don't do anything with social media: FB, Twitter, Instagram, hell I removed myself from LinkedIn about 5 years ago. That said, THSCC has never had a link to the SCCA. Given the changes to the SCCA and a lot of the classing structures, I'd say the best way to end this is to give in to the "L" classes for the NCAC, considering 75% of the club participating do this. Remember, their club points for year end trophies are counting this event too. At the event, during the drivers meeting, announce that THSCC will no longer be part of the the NCAC program going forward.

We haven't been competitive in the "Club Cup" for many, many years and I think some of that is that we don't have the sites to support an event like this, so we end up hosting it in Charlotte and other areas as a compromise. This kills our participation.

In the end, pulling out of the NCAC lets us run our own club structure the way we want for *all* events, without compromise. This way, there is no reason for any FB or other drama to ensue, outside of internal club struggles that pop up now and then. - AB

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Aaron makes a good point. There's still nothing stopping THSCC members from going to the NCAC and competing for a state championship if so desired.


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A bunch of people waited until the last minute to register and then got bent out of shape that there wasn't an official answer instantly. To add fuel to the fire, they started acted as if we're not flexible at all and just kept on dog piling on.

Stuff like this is a logistical nightmare, but having half a dozen people just scream and yell about how THSCC sucks at 10pm on a school night is ridiculous. It's a bunch of people that want to have their cake and eat it, too.

I was considering branching out and getting into autocross a bit more when I take delivery of my new car, but if I have to deal with these bastions of the NC autox community, I think I might be able to find something else to do with my time.

These "bastions" are no different than some of our THSCC faithful. The autocross community is generally a bunch of relatively like minded car people. If you skip out due to this, only you'll lose. - AB

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We have NCCAR. But the site has great pavement and is popular and it wasn't booked in time. Maybe in 2019...

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The Club Cup is supposed to be FUN but when it boils down to it, the point of the NCAC is to provide an atmosphere where many drivers who don't venture to the larger events will have a shot to race, converse, trade car setup advice and start new friendships with new interclass competition and to have a great time competing in a healthy class without worrying about PAX, just focusing on raw time and what it takes to chip away at the clock for a shot at a state title. G Street last year was a hell of a time! At the end of the day, it's usually just a beer mug or a silly wooden plaque that you'll score that you might toss in the freezer before cracking your favorite brew or hanging in your office at work as a conversation starter or a mental reminder that the weekend is right around the corner. Nothing more nothing less.

Autocross is an individual sport and your performance and more importantly, ability to have a good time, is on your shoulders. Is there a team 'feel' to it, sure, but it's okay to be cool with other clubs. This season I've run with NCR, CCR, Triad, BRR, and FAST down in Florida with Les and had a hell of a time at each and look forward to seeing new cars & drivers. Part of the reason our club gets a bad rap lately (saying this constructively) is because folks think we don't want to branch out and don't like other clubs. Not sure if this is true or just a result of being less competitive, keeping the sport at arm's length, and keeping it close to home with familiar faces.

As far as the ladies class shortcoming, I understand it wasn't an intentional jab at anyone from other clubs, instead we're just not accustomed to seeing more than 2 drivers per car but kudos for fixing. No harm, no foul.

Let's have fun, get more than 16 Tarheels drivers out like last year to Z-Max, and I know Rob & Steve will make a smokin' fast and fun course.

Regarding Facebook. Well, whether or not you like or dislike it, it is 2015 and that's how you publicize events and share photos & results in some cases. Forums are a dying breed. Especially when they're private (sorry to beat the hell out of the dead horse). Much thanks to Jeb for starting the THSCC page back in '08.

Andrew, you know better than to take fb seriously There are always people that will whine just to whine. Do what I do and just have fun. Using this as an excuse to not come out is not valid

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Seems to me we used to have a informal office called "Number One Drunk Forum Poster". I think that was omitted from last year's officers ballot, which may have been a good thing, but can we add a position for 2016 called "Number One Bastion" ?

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I think there is some membership crossover as well. And anyhow, it is usually a vocal minority that stir up things and we own a few members in that group as well.

Richard

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Money can't buy happiness, but somehow it's more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than a Kia.

I find the fun/time ratio for autox to be lacking as is (I'm a worker coordinator and I've shown up to less than half of this year's events), the prospect of traveling even further out to meet up with people who have been sabotaging our stuff can be summed up by Immortan Joe: https://youtu.be/ZJLzAzjxc8A?t=12 .