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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 8:59 pm 
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I suggest using the SCCA Solo sound rules. It gives "precedent" as a starting point and gives a decent basis for comparison for competitors who have attended major SCCA events and can provide feedback to the rest of us.

Yes I know sound measurement is highly variable and condition sensitive.

FYI Triad uses 95 dB but I don't know if they ever actually measure sound.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:30 pm 
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A *lot* of the point of the sound regulations is to be able to show people that you HAVE sound regulations and that they are reasonable. Then you have SOMETHING to fall back on if/when the complaints do make it to someone who cares. That's not always enough, but often it is.


Donnie is the one who nailed it.

Hopefully, the club won't decide to do nothing "because people will just complain anyway." We're smarter than that. Right?

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:58 am 
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Karl Shultz wrote:
We're smarter than that. Right?



I'd like to think that myself

Whatever the requirement needs to be I'm sure everyone in the club would make the appropriate changes necessary to meet those levels. I for one want to ensure that we get to use this new site (and our others) for many years to come.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:49 am 
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Karl Shultz wrote:
Donnie Barnes wrote:
A *lot* of the point of the sound regulations is to be able to show people that you HAVE sound regulations and that they are reasonable. Then you have SOMETHING to fall back on if/when the complaints do make it to someone who cares. That's not always enough, but often it is.


Donnie is the one who nailed it.

Hopefully, the club won't decide to do nothing "because people will just complain anyway." We're smarter than that. Right?


I wasn't suggesting that we do nothing because no matter what we do it won't be enough, but I'm being realistic. Sure we should do what we can and make an honest effort, but in the end we, THSCC or the SCCA, doesn't get to decide what is "too loud".

At our first rallycross here in Wilson we had noise complaints. The funny thing is that 24 hours prior there was a TRACTOR PULL in the same location. I think part of that was our event was held on a Sunday (like most autocrosses) so that may be a factor on this site as well. My 'guess' would be we may be better off on a Saturday, but I know the logistics are tougher for us to hold Saturday events.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:18 am 
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I totally agree with VK, in the end the final assesment will be made by the site owner and or the local ordinances. In as much as the site owner invited us there it will all depend on how much heat he's willing to take from his neighbors. As VK said a tractor pull on Sat is within some peoples tolerance level and an auto x or rally x is not within tolerance levels of the same folks on Sun. From this All I can conclude is DB level has very little to do with it. Having a sound level restriction may give the appearance of having something to "fall back on" but in the end it really means very little. The heat that owner is willing to put up with is the real criteria.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:48 am 
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Karl Shultz wrote:
Donnie Barnes wrote:
A *lot* of the point of the sound regulations is to be able to show people that you HAVE sound regulations and that they are reasonable. Then you have SOMETHING to fall back on if/when the complaints do make it to someone who cares. That's not always enough, but often it is.


Donnie is the one who nailed it.

Hopefully, the club won't decide to do nothing "because people will just complain anyway." We're smarter than that. Right?


Who exactly do you think was saying we should do nothing? My post certainly shouldn't have given that indication. I'd say that Donnie and I both "nailed it". We have had a sound level rule established since 2004 BTW, look here at item 3.11, and we have attempted to enforce this in Greenville at least as far getting Walter to stuff steel wool in this tail pipes which was surprisingly effective. I agree we should make an effort to more proactively enforce the existing sound rule for events at this site and those of us with louder cars should make some effort to quiet them down a bit, maybe I'll try the steel wool trick myself though I'm pretty sure my car would pass the 95db rule. However, I feel my point remains that with the proximity of the trailer park and nearby neighborhood, complaints are inevitable and certainly not "fairly easily control" as you stated. I think we could all be running EV cars and simply the tire squealing noises alone would be enough noise to cause complaints in this case. We can make our best reasonable efforts to control excessive noise, but as Bernie states above its really all going to come down to Richard and his connections and his tolerance of any grief he may receive, and as Donnie states above, our rules and efforts will simply be to show we have rules and have made efforts. Maybe we will get lucky and the trailer park will be full of illegal immigrants who don't want to draw any attention to themselves. :)

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:24 pm 
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OK so since Les did that. I am doing this. since the "lot rent" is gonna be lower than every where else we have, why not jut buy a few cases of Budweiser and leave them on the steps the trailers with a thank you note on them. Sounds like we need to find the DB meter and start to do some testing to see truly what we need to do.

I would rather add ANOTHER muffler and keep racing then not and loose the spot!!!

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Maybe we will get lucky and the trailer park will be full of illegal immigrants who don't want to draw any attention to themselves. :)

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 5:24 pm 
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DickRasmussen wrote:
I suggest using the SCCA Solo sound rules. It gives "precedent" as a starting point and gives a decent basis for comparison for competitors who have attended major SCCA events and can provide feedback to the rest of us.

Yes I know sound measurement is highly variable and condition sensitive.

FYI Triad uses 95 dB but I don't know if they ever actually measure sound.

Dick

When Bob Kendrick and I ran in Triad events they used the sound meter. It was always manned for competitors from other clubs but not when their own loud cars ran. Funny how that worked.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 6:44 pm 
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JohnByers wrote:
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I couldn't resist 8)


How is my statement racist? I said "maybe we'll get lucky" I did not presume, its more likely to be full of lower income white folks. :D No offense to those that might live in a trailer park, my dad lived in one until I graduated from high school and I spent my summers there and had great fun, not to mention most all of my siblings currently live in trailers, such is life growing up in Thomasville, NC which has transitioned from a thriving manufacturing hub to a purely "service sector economy" over the past three decades.

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:58 pm 
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So basically all eyes turn to Jeremy and Kendt and Bernie ;).

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:22 pm 
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Les Davis wrote:

How is my statement racist? I said "maybe we'll get lucky" I did not presume, its more likely to be full of lower income white folks. :D No offense to those that might live in a trailer park, my dad lived in one until I graduated from high school and I spent my summers there and had great fun, not to mention most all of my siblings currently live in trailers, such is life growing up in Thomasville, NC which has transitioned from a thriving manufacturing hub to a purely "service sector economy" over the past three decades.



It really was a joke on my part. You forget I teach high school. Using the term "mexicans" or "illegal immigrant" is deemed inappropriate. "Latinos" or "Hispanics" is the prefered way to refer to the group in my profession.

But really, it was a joke 8)

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
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If it's inapropriate to call people who came into this country from Mexico, Mexicans why is it alright to call people from Germany, Germans? Or from Russia. Russians, or from Italy, Italians??????????

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
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Bernie Baake wrote:
If it's inapropriate to call people who came into this country from Mexico, Mexicans why is it alright to call people from Germany, Germans? Or from Russia. Russians, or from Italy, Italians??????????



Mainly because the term is used loosely even when that person may be from Honduras or Chile, etc.

You'd be amazed at some of the "sensitivity" training we have gone thru the last few years.

Just this past year we were informed we can't term a person "homeless", just merely socioeconomicly disadvantaged...

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 Post subject: Re: new autox location in Burlington
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:57 pm 
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I didn't take Les's "illegal immigrants" comment as referring solely to Mexicans, but more generally (and not "racist") as anyone living illegally in the US (or, more specifically, living illegally in that trailer park), regardless of where they came from.

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