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These options won't happen. Ever.

P&R 5 is used by emergency services as a staging point for exercises and emergencies should they happen. It hasn't been used for passenger cars in probably 5 years. Currently, it is being used by the rental car companies while they are redoing the rental car area.

The "National Guard" runway (Runway 14/32) is an active runway used by light aircraft much more than by the Guard. You would have to get permission from both the RDU Airport Authority (good luck with that!) and the FAA. I can tell you how that conversation will go.

If you want a name and phone number for the properties person at the RDUAA, I'll get it for you. I can tell you though, that you might as well talk to a wall. You will get the same answer in the end.

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Todd Breakey
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"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Also an old IBM building - that whole site was dug up over the last 6 months and unusable - besides being completely fenced off now since it's sale.

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Dustin Fredrickson
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This is Triple W airport. And while it isn't used much by the local private aircaft community, it is still an active airport.

Plus, the pavement there makes Laurinburg look like it was poured only a couple weeks ago. I wouldn't land an aircraft there.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

Same goes for the previously mentioned IBM lots. Maybe at some of the non-main-site locations that used to exist, but with IBM consolidating a LOT of Raleigh/Durham operations back onto this site, and with the 24/7/365 client datacenters now housed here as well, the possibility of securing access to even one of the small lots would be almost certainly futile.

The biggest lot off Loop Rd, previously linked, is also right outside two of the busiest and highest executive exposure buildings on site - would never fly.

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Dustin Fredrickson
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Pretty much any active airport is going to be a non-starter since 9/11. There are so many security hoops to jump thru its crazy. Yes I know SCCA runs on some of these sites but I'm gonna guess those areas are not SIDA areas.

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I just realized that Steve was probably talking about the old runway that was closed a long time ago. The same thing goes for that one. It intersects Runway 14-32 and becomes part of Taxiway C.

Sorry, won't happen either.

Believe me, I would love to have RDU as an autocross site. Look at the ramp that I work on. 25 acres of 5 year old brushed concrete. The grip levels are amazing!! Think I don't dream of the day that we can have an autocross there?

http://www.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s ... 16&iwloc=A

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

the second one is the Raleigh Police training blacktop. We did a street survival there a couple of years ago. I don't think the police were all that enthused about us being there.

from what i remember there really is more grass than pavement also. i sold a guy some Mustang parts a few years back and he flew in to get them.

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just another Chump

we are an Autocross Club Dammit............

I used to work in a different building in this complex. I did suggest it to Mike Dishman, who was the site coordinator at the time, but it's got a couple of likely problems:

1. Although it's currently vacant, it's a fine office building and I'm sure the property owner would like to rent it. Black marks all over the parking lot are probably not attractive to potential tenants.
2. There's a fairly substantial slope to the lot that makes it less attractive IMO.

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Carl Fisher

Be Cool to the Pizza Dude:
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completely disagree. we run at Danville (active airport) and NCR runs at Havelock (pretty active as well ). Active runway? Of course not. Nats are run at an airport too (not active, but owned by an Airpark Authority with likely similar security concerns/hoops and hurdles)--so it *can* be done. Why not ask and find out rather than dismiss it? I suspect we could use Danville as a reference, and could also use advice from NCR about how they go about conducting themselves at Havelock. Since Sanford is a training center for Emergency Services, list them as a reference when/if approaching the State or Police venues. If we build a good case, with good references, we may have a good shot wooing a new site.

Of course, if we reject every site without even a phone call we'll never get a new site.

Plus, if we use a business we could also offer free advertising on the website, Heel n Toe and at the event itself.

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Steve Carter
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I'll get Karen Quinn-Reynolds' phone number and email address if someone wants to give it a shot at RDU.

But I have to warn you, the RDUAA has a VERY tight reign on what happens on their property. Use this as a reference to their control...whe the USPS came to Landmark Aviation, TACAir and Aviation Management Group and said "you are required by federal code to put up mailboxes in front of your buildings.". The RDUAA told them no. Under no circumstances will there be any new mailboxes erected on airport property. After that, the USPS backed down.

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Todd Breakey
STS 42 - 1992 Sunburst Miata
Dammit!
"You souldn't play leap frog with a porcupine. You might get hurt." - Eliza

And you are entitled to



Not a SIDA area, I probably should have been more specific above.



And is under the jurisdiction one one person. Col Robert Clinton. If he wanted to paint the runway pink he could. The SCCA runs there on a very special deal and don't even pay a site rental, they provide a service to MWR to keep Marines from getting in trouble with their cars (blow off steam). They are also doing the same thing at Seymore Johnson AFB this year. At least that is my understanding of their relationship.



The club has been around for 45 years, most of these avenues have been explored in the past.

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To all you young members of this club: don't let the nay sayers beat you down, your exactly on the mark. Keep looking there are sites out there. Six years ago I recommended that we try to get Cherry Point Marine Air Station because I knew the base CO personally. So that was my in to the Havelock site, and was summarily shut down much in the same way this thread has gone. NCR now has that site. The best one in the state. We could have had it. As an adjunct to this they pay Zero for any of their sites, thats right all their sites are free. So talking to them is not too far off base IMHO. They did not approach the base at Cherry Point, the Base requested them to hold schools and events on that site. And I'm sure the approach to Seymore Johnson AFB will be the same, hold a school for the airmen on Sat then hold and event on Sun.
The point is, keep exploring leads ninety nine will say no but sooner or later one will turn up.

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Along those lines, how about trying again with some of the bigger companies (the IBM's of the world) and offer them something like NCR does for the Marines...sure, the IBM employees may not need a "blow off steam" school, but their kids might need a "Street Survival School." Heck, bet you could even get them to pay US for it. Site for free, money into the kittie, and all it takes is some Street Survival instructor volunteers.

Just a thought.


--Donnie

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I think that is part of the issue here that hasn't been discussed. Why won't these companies do it? Airports I can understand the whole 9-11 thing. I still think Bernie makes a good point. Don't simply give up because officers 2-5+ years ago couldn't get that site. Usually it is because someone knows someone who knows someone to get an "in".

Get a project together. Get a list. Start posting on the forum and the mailing list. Find contacts who can help get our foot in the door to talk to someone.

The document Miles had written is out of date and needs to be revamped to meet todays issues. Some are the same and some are not.

For those who don't know. When we lost the RBC site officers met with the RBC management to see if it could be resolved. The RBC answer was that they didn't have a problem with us. But their insurance company found out we were doing it and told them to stop it immediately. So they did. That is what I recall from working with Miles back then. Those types of issue and concerns have to be addressed. The site owner has to be placed in a position of not being at risk because of what we do.

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